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by **Amoebas** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:40 pm

Love Simonson. Don't like Bendis more. Pass.

Looking forward to the post era.

by **DMM** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:44 pm

Amoebas wrote:Love Simonson. Don't like Bendis more. Pass.

Looking forward to the post era.

I'm not a Bendis fan, but I'm definitely willing to give this a shot.

by **fieldy snuts** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:33 pm

by **Zenguru** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:38 pm

Bendis is NOT a modern legend. :smt011

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:40 pm

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by **fieldy snuts** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:41 pm

by **Lord Ice** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:08 pm

Maybe Bendis can do an all silent arc, no dialogue, just let Simonson draw what Bendis plots. :lol:

by **alaska1125** » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:58 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
Trust me, his writing stint on Avengers sucked. He stayed on just long enough to destroy the team Stern had put together, only to leave it as soon as he put together a team that didn't even last four issues (Cap,Thor, Reed, Sue, and Gilgamesh).

Gilgamesh...*shudder*...that was a low point.

by **SuperginraiX** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:17 am

Zenguru wrote:Bendis is NOT a modern legend.

Um, yeah, he is.

I mean, love him or hate him, with work like Daredevil, Powers, Ultimate Spider-Man, anything he does with Maleev, and his half decade chartering the course of the Marvel universe... he's pretty much earned that title.

by **Amoebas** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:18 am

SuperginraiX wrote:Um, yeah, he is.

I mean, love him or hate him, with work like Daredevil, Powers, Ultimate Spider-Man, anything he does with Maleev, and his half decade chartering the course of the Marvel universe... he's pretty much earned that title.

For mischaracterization, ignorance/defiance of continuity, for putting his story before the characters, overuse of ninjas, either deus ex machina or anti-climatic endings and generally a bad writing style that's more suited a street corner kosher deli than at a super-hero headquarters...

Um, no, he isn't. :groucho:

by **outsider** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:16 am

chap22 wrote:awesome news, just don't let him write it.

There's truth in thar.
Some artists need to keep their station and stop trying to be writers (cc: Phil Jimenez).

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand

Disclaimer: Simonson's Thor remains the universal exception to the rule.

by **outsider** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:18 am

Amoebas wrote:ignorance/defiance of continuity

I'd give that reason to someone like Chuck Austen or even Judd Winick, but when it's someone like Bendis or Johns, they've worked with a length and breadth that establishes the new continuity.

by **Starlord** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:07 am

Lord Ice wrote:Maybe Bendis can do an all silent arc, no dialogue, just let Simonson draw what Bendis plots.

We are not that lucky. :-(

by **Starlord** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:10 am

cncoyle wrote:There's truth in thar.
Some artists need to keep their station and stop trying to be writers (cc: Phil Jimenez).

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand
Disclaimer: Simonson's Thor remains the universal exception to the rule.

Exactly!!!! Like Byrne's FF. Never cared for the man's writing (yes even WCA) but his FF has never ever been beat. Best run of that book ever. Same with Simonson.

by **SuperginraiX** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:54 am

Amoebas wrote:For mischaracterization, ignorance/defiance of continuity, for putting his story before the characters, overuse of ninjas, either deus ex machina or anti-climatic endings and generally a bad writing style that's more suited a street corner kosher deli than at a super-hero headquarters...

Um, no, he isn't.

While I agree with one or two things you've said, most of that doesn't ring true to me. Especially the ninjas thing. Really with the ninjas thing? What was that? Two story arcs over four years ago?

I was actually going down the rest of your list and counter-pointing them one by one when I realized there was little point to it. Most of it is just a value judgement and it can all be summed up with this: other "legends" have been accused of the same things. I remember John Byrne's Fantastic Four run being lambasted for most of these (not the ninjas or street corner deli bits but I'll bet Frank Miller got some complaints for the former and maybe the latter is something unique to Bendis) and some of that was justified. It doesn't make him less of a comic legend.

Again, love him or hate him, you can't deny his accomplishments.