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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby US Agent » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:35 pm

Instead of force feeding him everywhere, I'd rather see the return of West Coast Avengers.

Just give him that.

That's was a great book.

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:39 pm

'Cause you hate him. *











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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby rdrsfn82 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:40 pm

chap22 wrote:a lot of what Punchy said, but also, even moreso than a guy like Spidey or Batman, he personifies the "everyman hero", the guy who could be us. nobody can really become Batman...it's impossible to be that good at that many different skills. but you could be Hawkeye. Clint's just a guy. he volunteers to cook at Avengers barbecues then burns the burgers. he runs his mouth when he shouldn't as a defense mechanism. he gets the wrong girls, and loses the right ones. he's a high school dropout who ran away from home to join the carnival, learned a skill, and made himself the best in the world at the one thing he does. he got into trouble when he was young because of some poor decisions, then busted his ass that much harder to make up for it.

he's not uber-rich or a genius like Stark or Wayne (or rich like Ollie even), he's not a god like Thor or Superman, there's no superpowers he gets from an accident like Spidey or Hulk or Flash, or from birth like all the mutants, there's no all-powerful alien weapon like GL. he makes his own stuff, does his own thing, and has risen through sheer force of will and mule-headed stubbornness to stand beside a guy like Captain America as an average joe who can command gods. he's talented, he's funny, he's street-smart (and street-dumb all at the same time), he's constantly improving while all the while fighting like hell to keep from screwing up.

honestly, your disagreement with the whole Mock storyline aside, i don't say how it's possible to NOT like Hawk.


The main reason I said what I said is because I knew you'd be able to sum this up better than I could.

I 100% agree with this.
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Benderbrau » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:41 pm

Punchy and Chap do remind that I must concede that I do like Hawkeye's personality. He's an abrasive dick in a world of silver tongued heroes. But too many writers take it too far and don't understand the fine line between sharp tongued devil and ignorant asshole. And when they overshoot that line there's nothing redeeming about the character.
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby eltopo » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:43 pm

US Agent wrote:Instead of force feeding him everywhere, I'd rather see the return of West Coast Avengers.

Just give him that.

That's was a great book.

the only reason he's in so much new stuff is because he's in the Avengers movie,Marvel always hypes in the comics what's coming out in the movies
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby GOSD » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:44 pm

He hangs with Cap, slings a bow and bangs hot chicks.

What's not to love? :smt017

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Spidey-Man » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:47 pm

chap22 wrote:a lot of what Punchy said, but also, even moreso than a guy like Spidey or Batman, he personifies the "everyman hero", the guy who could be us. nobody can really become Batman...it's impossible to be that good at that many different skills. but you could be Hawkeye. Clint's just a guy. he volunteers to cook at Avengers barbecues then burns the burgers. he runs his mouth when he shouldn't as a defense mechanism. he gets the wrong girls, and loses the right ones. he's a high school dropout who ran away from home to join the carnival, learned a skill, and made himself the best in the world at the one thing he does. he got into trouble when he was young because of some poor decisions, then busted his ass that much harder to make up for it.

he's not uber-rich or a genius like Stark or Wayne (or rich like Ollie even), he's not a god like Thor or Superman, there's no superpowers he gets from an accident like Spidey or Hulk or Flash, or from birth like all the mutants, there's no all-powerful alien weapon like GL. he makes his own stuff, does his own thing, and has risen through sheer force of will and mule-headed stubbornness to stand beside a guy like Captain America as an average joe who can command gods. he's talented, he's funny, he's street-smart (and street-dumb all at the same time), he's constantly improving while all the while fighting like hell to keep from screwing up.

honestly, your disagreement with the whole Mock storyline aside, i don't say how it's possible to NOT like Hawk.


I dont know. I never thought Hawkeye was that relatable.

I like him. But not because i ever related to an ex carnie turned worker for the commies turned specialist at arrows.

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Benderbrau » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:49 pm

GOSD wrote:He hangs with Cap, slings a bow and bangs hot chicks.

What's not to love? :smt017

The bow.
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Spidey-Man » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:51 pm

He was a real dick in the early days :lol:

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby chap22 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:52 pm

also, to make my former long rambling Strict-esque dissertation shorter and sweeter, as Englehart touched on in WCA (particularly when the team was trapped in the past) and as Nicieza hit on in his T'bolts run (particularly his very first issue through the rest of the bagley stuff), it basically falls like this: Hawkeye is the ultimate longshot. which is fitting for his skill set. and everybody, esp. us red-blooded American mutts/underdogs, EVERYBODY loves a longshot.
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby BubbaKanoosh » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:53 pm

Benderbrau wrote:Punchy and Chap do remind that I must concede that I do like Hawkeye's personality. He's an abrasive dick in a world of silver tongued heroes. But too many writers take it too far and don't understand the fine line between sharp tongued devil and ignorant asshole. And when they overshoot that line there's nothing redeeming about the character.


I agree.

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby chap22 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:54 pm

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I dont know. I never thought Hawkeye was that relatable.

I like him. But not because i ever related to an ex carnie turned worker for the commies turned specialist at arrows.

that's b/c you're looking at the skill set or the comic-book situations he finds himself in, and not at the actual character himself as fully realized. by design, he's the mouth of the common man on a team full of supergods.
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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby BubbaKanoosh » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Benderbrau wrote:The bow.


And the herpes.

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby Spidey-Man » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:56 pm

chap22 wrote:that's b/c you're looking at the skill set or the comic-book situations he finds himself in, and not at the actual character himself as fully realized. by design, he's the mouth of the common man on a team full of supergods.


Peter parker is relatable but Hawkeye, i was never like Hawkeye. an uneducated big mouth braggart? No.

I like hawkeye's personality, but i dont think it was the average comic fans personality. Peter Parker, yes, Clint Barton, no.

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Re: Hawkeye - Why the love?

Postby misac » Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:58 pm

And he has a rad suit!
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