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by **Punchy** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:29 pm

Rick Remender takes over SA, he's already revolutionised X-Force, can he do the same for Steve Rogers and pals?

Secret Avengers #21.1
as selected by Deadfett

Eli Katz has next week's pick

Comics are to be scored on a scale from 1-10. 1 being suck, 10 being a damn good comic. Your review must be at least a paragraph to show you've put some effort in, but beyond that, there's no right or wrong, unless you disagree with me

Eli Katz
Ameobas
Punchy
Jude Terror
John Snow/Amlah6
Stephen Day
The President/Frag It
BubbaKanoosh
BlueStreak
Guitarsmashley
SilverPhoenix
Deadfett

Eventually, I will put together all of our reviews and we will have our very own article on the front page of The Outhouse! If you would like for your review to be included, please try to have it posted by the end of day on Tuesday.

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:59 pm

I will continue my unbroken streak of reviews in the New Review Group with this book.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:03 pm

My shop will have this.

by **Amoebas** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:29 pm

Secret Avengers 21.19631-A330

Fact - I so want to read a good Avengers book. It's been almost eight years since the Bendis hi-jack and with only a few spots in that time (Slott & Gage's stuff) there hasn't been anything Avengery about the Avengers imo. With Bendis not involved in this Secret Avengers book I gladly took a look.

Anyways... (spoilers)

Summary: Cap and Hawkeye go on a mission/test. Hawkeye fails and the two argue and Cap ends up fucking up and Hawkeye rescues him.

The whole 'point one' thing is intended to draw in new readers right? Didn't work. Hawkeye and Cap bickering the way they do doesn't work for me in the slightest. For Cap to question Clint's leadership is absurd. I'll give Remender credit for having Clint take off after the insult. The climax of the book proves without a doubt how effective Hawkeye is (taking down the entirety of the new Masters of Evil in a single page). It feels like they are forcing Hawkeye into the Ultimate version when there's nothing wrong with Brer' Hawkeye.

What's the deal with them jumping of of skyscrapers? Impossible heights in free fall and a flag pole is enough to save Cap after what seems like 50 stories? Well, it is a comic book and let's say it's okay for them. But it certainly isn't for the jet-sled guys that have to drop to their deaths. Again - not Avengery.

The 1st skyfall, and train roof ride to get to the party was was one thing - but why? If they had image inducers, why didn't they just walk in? Why risk death or being spotted jumping off a building from a half mile up? Silly stuff (oh yeah - walking in doesn't make for a cool action scene regardless how nonsensical it is).

And how did Hawkeye find the Fury Jr's lair? Did I miss an explanation?

The art was good, but the coloring wasn't. The thirty shades of flesh color was distracting. I appreciate when colorist 'paint' but this was overdone (Cap at the party looks like he has a rash on half his face).

Well, I tried Secret Avengers and there is enough things that work (the pencil art, and some characterization) but it felt hollow. Maybe because with it only having Cap & Hawkeye in it, this book was more Team-Up than Avengers.

Writing - 5
Art - 5 (without the coloring it would have been an

Overall - 5

by **guitarsmashley** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:42 am

This comic went from being awesome to just plain meh. The art was superb and had the story not fallen totally off the deep end the book would be a candidate for a 10. Which I have to say was about the best thing this book could do. I love Remender so this book being a disappointment means I don't need to keep reading it. What Remender did really well was write Captain America and I think I'd like to read more Remender Cap. But about the time he's taken the book is just a mess. Plot disappears and it's all just crap.

and I hate to steal Punchy's shtick but the best line is easily,"His stomach is filled with McRbis and hot apple pies."

5 because in the end this book really is just average.

by **guitarsmashley** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:40 am

by **guitarsmashley** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:23 am

This is seriously fucking pathetic.

by **Marius665** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:31 am

At what point did Clint know about the Shadow Council and Max Fury???

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:15 am

guitarsmashley wrote:This is seriously fucking pathetic.

I'm getting my comics tomorrow. I should have my review up by the end of the weekend.

by **doombug** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:35 am

guitarsmashley wrote:This is seriously fucking pathetic.

not available on the digital app sadly, otherwise I might rejoin but the group seems to be shrinking more and more every week. :smt102

by **Punchy** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:55 am

doombug wrote:not available on the digital app sadly, otherwise I might rejoin but the group seems to be shrinking more and more every week.

Well maybe if you participated it wouldn't seem to shrink?

Chicken and egg.

by **Eli Katz** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:35 pm

My shop didn't have this, amazingly. Will go to the bigger shop next week, probably Wednesday. Review for this will be done then.

by **Amoebas** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:53 pm

Eli Katz wrote:My shop didn't have this, amazingly. Will go to the bigger shop next week, probably Wednesday. Review for this will be done then.

At which point it will be time to review.... :smt017

by **Chris** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:57 pm

I really, really liked this. :smt102

I fucking love the Cap/Hawkeye dynamic, and it was on full display this issue. I look forward to the Cap team-up book for that reason alone. But that aside, this was good stuff. Always love when the Shadow Council pops up.

I don't get the hate. It was a nice little prelude to Remender's proper run. I can't wait for #22, with the full team.. it just might be my favorite Avengers roster in a very, very, very, very long time.

Art: 7
Story: 7

Total: 7/10

by **guitarsmashley** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:50 pm

Holland Oats wrote:I really, really liked this.

I fucking love the Cap/Steve dynamic, and it was on full display this issue. I look forward to the Cap team-up book for that reason alone. But that aside, this was good stuff. Always love when the Shadow Council pops up.

I don't get the hate. It was a nice little prelude to Remender's proper run. I can't wait for #22, with the full team.. it just might be my favorite Avengers roster in a very, very, very, very long time.

Art: 7
Story: 7

Total: 7/10

steve/cap dynamic is schizophrenic?