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by **eltopo** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:26 pm

Rockman wrote:
Read about the Garth Brooks case just recently and you'll see an example where it isn't true.

did he get sued by Chris gains

by **Kolimar** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:04 pm

Kolimar wrote:If this is true... So nice to see the champion of creators' rights proving how much better it is create your own stuff and hold on to the rights. As for Moore, how much of an idiot do you have to be to do what he says he did? I get the feeling that this is essentially true: he signed his rights away. And now he realized he fucked up so badly that it defies description.

the-news-stand/tony-moore-sues-robert-kirkman-over-walking-dead-proceeds-t77543.html

by **Spidey-Man** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:08 pm

Rockman wrote:How much do you guys think Moore is entitled too percentage wise.

It's not like he made some elaborate iconic designs or anything.

as much as the contract says

by **Spidey-Man** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:10 pm

Holland Oats wrote:
How do you prove that?

And that still comes down to reading your contract, and making sure you know what you are signing over, and all the risks that come with that.

civil suits aren't beyond a reasonable doubt. Just more likely than not

You prove it by testifying. and any documents you have

Kirkman testifies against him. Then it depends who the jury believes. you dont need iron clad proof.

also, fraudlent inducment would break the contract. if you get someone to sign a contract through fraud, the contract doesnt count.

he's also arguing that in the contract, he's not getting paid what it says he should and that the books aren't being shown to him. Thats like when stan sued marvel.

by **Spidey-Man** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:11 pm

Holland Oats wrote:

Also.. I would like to know more about this story. It's odd.

For example, I checked the first issue of TWD, and Moore doesn't get any creator credit, nor is he listed in the copyright. So what exactly is he suing for?

you dont have to be listed in the copyright to actually hold the copyright.

by **The Bass** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:17 pm

Rockman wrote:
That's a little excessive don't you think. You wish the man ruined?

Broke enough that he's forced into working for hire again. That I'd laugh at.

But Tony Moore's house was destroyed last year. He's looking for a way to gain a little compensation from a greedy prick who's turned his back on his friends

by **Rockman** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:25 pm

eltopo wrote:did he get sued by Chris gains

If this is a joke I'm sorry because I don't get it.

If not here is an explanation. He sued a hospital because he donated some money to build a woman's clinic. THe hospital didn't do it, so he sued them and got like twice the money back or something ridiculous. I'm fine with them having to return the money, but anything more than that is really lame.

by **Chesscub** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:29 pm

Rockman wrote:
If this is a joke I'm sorry because I don't get it.

If not here is an explanation. He sued a hospital because he donated some money to build a woman's clinic. THe hospital didn't do it, so he sued them and got like twice the money back or something ridiculous. I'm fine with them having to return the money, but anything more than that is really lame.

Chris Gaines was Garth's alter ego for a rock/pop album he did.

by **GHERU** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:42 pm

Chesscub wrote:
Chris Gaines was Garth's alter ego for a rock/pop album he did.

garth brrooks
not garth ennis

although, that would have been cool

by **Arion** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:31 pm

I'd like to read that contract.

by **Evan Meadow** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Rockman wrote:
If this is a joke I'm sorry because I don't get it.

If not here is an explanation. He sued a hospital because he donated some money to build a woman's clinic. THe hospital didn't do it, so he sued them and got like twice the money back or something ridiculous. I'm fine with them having to return the money, but anything more than that is really lame.

Not just that, they were supposed to name the clinic after his mother. And then they never did it and decided to use the money elsewhere.

by **Doc Jon** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:34 pm

DOn't know if this was posted:

Robert Kirkman has issued a statement on the lawsuit, saying, "The lawsuit is ridiculous, we each had legal representation seven years ago and now he is violating the same contract he initiated and approved and he wants to misrepresent the fees he was paid and continues to be paid for the work he was hired to do. Tony regularly receives payment for the work he did as penciler, inker and for gray tones on the first six issues of The Walking Dead comic series and he receives royalties for the TV show, to assert otherwise is simply incorrect."

by **Doc Jon** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:35 pm

So Kirkman is saying that Moore was basically work-for-hire...

by **fieldy snuts** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:19 pm

Doc Jon wrote:So Kirkman is saying that Moore was basically work-for-hire...

Hasn't Kirkman taken the other stance on the work-for-hire description saying that Image is a place where creators are safe from those sorts of shady business dealings when comparing Image to Marvel's and DC's ongoing legal battles with estates?

by **Victorian Squid** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:24 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:
Hasn't Kirkman taken the other stance on the work-for-hire description saying that Image is a place where creators are safe from those sorts of shady business dealings when comparing Image to Marvel's and DC's ongoing legal battles with estates?

The details here aren't clear at all, and the parties involved can only say so much--I think it's far too soon to declare this "shady business dealings" until some of the actual facts are in rather than internet speculation.

There's nothing shady at all about work-for-hire if that's what you've agreed to do. Nothing in Kirkman's "manifesto" on comics says all writers and artists will or should own everything they work on at Image or anywhere else, it just encourages more of them who want to write and draw original stories they own the rights to to do so.