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[draco x]

I did get it right! Other than turning him into a mustache twirling ultimate villain he had nothing going for him. That's why when Slott compared him to the guy under the mask in Scooby Doo it made so much sense! There was all this mystery around him but after that he was less than nothing.

Norman on the other hand proved to be the superior Goblin. You can't outdo the original.

Of course Kingsley was less than nothing after the reveal because the editorial staff decided to give traits of the original Hobgoblin, the Jackal, the Kingpin and the 80's Lex Luthor to Norman Osborn and have him blamed for every fricking wrong thing in Peter's life. Plus, Marvel has shoved a barrage of crappy goblin knockoffs like Menace, the Stacey Twins, the Secret War Hobgoblin, Hobgoblin 2211, etc down out throats instead who were even less interesting than both Norman and Roderick. While I respect Norman as the original goblin and all, bringing him back was a very jump-the-shark moment for Marvel as they needed to bail their asses out of the Clone Saga mess they created and decided to make him into a generic James Bond villain. The difference is that when Kingsley was brought back at least he wasn't blamed for every wrong thing in the Spider-verse which I like. The main problem that will always plague Kingsley and the Hobgoblin on a whole is that Marvel only cares about one goblin and that's Norman. To all the Philgoblin fans here, just watch what happens to Phil when he and Norman cross paths as Osborn is going to chew him up and spit him out.

[Dragavon]

Talking smack on the Prowler now are we?

Wow, what is with you and your love for shitty characters!

[Zechs]

Wow, what is with you and your love for shitty characters!

I'm not a fan of the Prowler, but I know someone out there is. Have some respect.

[draco x]

You can not be a "wannabe" for two different distinct characters. That just means he's his own unique character. Carnage is more of a "wannabe" for Joker.

Exactly my point, bro. Comic-dom has enough Joker knockoffs already so do we need another one in Phil? And regardless what you feel about Carnage, he is an actual threat you can take seriously as he has been vicious enough to give Spiderman and Venom combined a hard time. Phil on the other hand has been jobbed by various characters and is as threatening as a Scooby Doo villain.

[Dragavon]

I'm not a fan of the Prowler, but I know someone out there is. Have some respect.

I would like to say how can you respect anybody who's a fan of the Prowler...

but I won't.

[draco x]

No... Carnage is not a wannabe he's more the David Hasselhoff of villains to the Joker's Orson Welles. Heck even the Joker himself made that observation. Phil is worse than that. He's the Jackal from the 90s. A quip in every sentence of dialogue he has AND he has an unhealthy obsession for a blonde woman.

Actually, Zechs, Phil reminds me of that loser from the 70's show that Raimi cast as Venom in that crappy Spiderman 3 movie by turning a badass Spider villain into a whiny annoying loser that had a psycho obsession with a blond girl. I was so happy when that goblin bomb blew up Topher Grace at the end of the movie and if we're lucky the same will happen to Noobgoblin.

[Zechs]

I would like to say how can you respect anybody who's a fan of the Prowler...

but I won't.

I can respect any character's fanbase.. save for idiotic moves like Phil Urich's current identity.

[draco x]

I find it hilarious that some of the bloggers here think that a young guy dressed as the Hobgoblin whose main reason for being evil is to win brownie points with a female character that nobody cares about is more interesting than an old guy who has proved to be as dangerous and formidable as Norman Osborn himself as the original Hobgoblin.

[Dragavon]

I find it hilarious that some of the bloggers here think that a young guy dressed as the Hobgoblin whose main reason for being evil is to win brownie points with a female character that nobody cares about is more interesting than an old guy who has proved to be as dangerous and formidable as Norman Osborn himself as the original Hobgoblin.

I like Norah.

And again, once Kingsley got de-masked it was the end of the Scooby-doo episode. Whereas I know who's behind the current Hobgoblin mask and I still want to read more.

[Zechs]

I like Norah.

And again, once Kingsley got de-masked it was the end of the Scooby-doo episode. Whereas I know who's behind the current Hobgoblin mask and I still want to read more.

RIGHT....

[draco x]

I like Norah.

And again, once Kingsley got de-masked it was the end of the Scooby-doo episode. Whereas I know who's behind the current Hobgoblin mask and I still want to read more.

Yeah, I remember how Slott used the Scooby Doo villain analogy with Kingsley-unfortunately he then gave us Scrappy Doo in a goblin costume in the form of Phil.

[Dragavon]

Yeah, I remember how Slott used the Scooby Doo villain analogy with Kingsley-unfortunately he then gave us Scrappy Doo in a goblin costume in the form of Phil.

I never read that interview. All I saw was your repeated attempts to make Phil into Scrappy.

[draco x]

I never read that interview. All I saw was your repeated attempts to make Phil into Scrappy.

Now I could never make Phil into Scrappy, bro-because that would be an insult to Scrappy Doo himself who I am sure would take Phil down in a fight.

[Dragavon]

Now I could never make Phil into Scrappy, bro-because that would be an insult to Scrappy Doo himself who I am sure would take Phil down in a fight.

Phil > The corpse of Macendale > Menace > Roderick Kingsley.

[Zechs]

Phil > The corpse of Macendale > Menace > Roderick Kingsley.

I'd expect nothing less from the mouth of madness. That's just insane.