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by **SaturnKnight** » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:50 pm

Arion wrote:
Well, you've always been a DC hardcore fan, after all.
I bought Legion of Super-Heroes Great Darkness Sada (the deluxe edition) and I really enjoyed it. Why is that Levitz can't write good stories nowadays?

For the record, I always do research online about medications.
Trust no one, Mr. Mulder.

Well, live and learn. Sigh.

RE: Levitz's Legion
The 2010 Relaunch was starting to pick up steam with Levitz's plans for a major LSH event storyline. All of that got derailed with the New 52, dang it.

I'm very much looking forward to the return of Steve Lightle in upcoming issues. Good stuff!

by **Arion** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:32 pm

SaturnKnight wrote:Well, live and learn. Sigh.

RE: Levitz's Legion
The 2010 Relaunch was starting to pick up steam with Levitz's plans for a major LSH event storyline. All of that got derailed with the New 52, dang it.

I'm very much looking forward to the return of Steve Lightle in upcoming issues. Good stuff!

That's part of the problem, it shouldn't start to pick up steam after a number of issues. When you read these old 80s Legion comics a lot of things happen in a single issue, whereas today it seems that Levitz, like many others, are just writing for the trade, and not in a good way.

Oh Steve Lightle, I feel like when I was 12 or 13 reading the Legion for the first time.

by **SaturnKnight** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:23 pm

Arion wrote:
That's part of the problem, it shouldn't start to pick up steam after a number of issues. When you read these old 80s Legion comics a lot of things happen in a single issue, whereas today it seems that Levitz, like many others, are just writing for the trade, and not in a good way.

Oh Steve Lightle, I feel like when I was 12 or 13 reading the Legion for the first time.

Not sure if you understood me. I meant the 2010 relaunch which was 2 years ago--not the current run which is much, much slower. Part of the problem for the 2010 relaunch was that Levitz got saddled with Earth-Man (one of THE worst characters ever created) and had to spend way too much time untangling that Gordian knot. The whole GL subplot was a waste of time which only dragged the story out more.

Then Levitz had to cut 2 pages from every issue when DC drew the line at $2.99, cutting pages from his Durlan storyline thus dragging that story out an extra issue or two.

My point? Levitz made his mistakes, but he got cockblocked by multiple obstacles thrown into his path as a result of others' decisions. And I loved the blue-skinned villain. I was dying to see where Levitz would go with that and what his big LSH event was that he wanted to do in 2011--which, yet again, got derailed by a story (Flashpoint) intruding on his plans for LSH.

The Earth-Man subplot left over from L3W. Pages cut from his book right in the middle of an arc. Then Flashpoint forcing him to kill plans and build-up to the first big LSH event in years. Let's be fair: Levitz's attempt to exploit the large new audience rolling over from L3W got cut off at the knees and left him pretty much screwed.

by **Lord Ice** » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:01 pm

What's worse is we're seeing the first appearance of Darkseid in the Nu52, and he is definitely different. So, that really confuses whether the Great Darkness Saga happened and how it went down. :smt017

by **Arion** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:54 pm

SaturnKnight wrote:Not sure if you understood me. I meant the 2010 relaunch which was 2 years ago--not the current run which is much, much slower. Part of the problem for the 2010 relaunch was that Levitz got saddled with Earth-Man (one of THE worst characters ever created) and had to spend way too much time untangling that Gordian knot. The whole GL subplot was a waste of time which only dragged the story out more.

Then Levitz had to cut 2 pages from every issue when DC drew the line at $2.99, cutting pages from his Durlan storyline thus dragging that story out an extra issue or two.

My point? Levitz made his mistakes, but he got cockblocked by multiple obstacles thrown into his path as a result of others' decisions. And I loved the blue-skinned villain. I was dying to see where Levitz would go with that and what his big LSH event was that he wanted to do in 2011--which, yet again, got derailed by a story (Flashpoint) intruding on his plans for LSH.

The Earth-Man subplot left over from L3W. Pages cut from his book right in the middle of an arc. Then Flashpoint forcing him to kill plans and build-up to the first big LSH event in years. Let's be fair: Levitz's attempt to exploit the large new audience rolling over from L3W got cut off at the knees and left him pretty much screwed.

No, I meant the 2010 relaunch. I only got the first issue because it was at 99 cents but it was so disappointing that there's no way I would have bought the second one. And you tell me that now is even slower? Oh my stars and garters!

by **SaturnKnight** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:57 pm

Lord Ice wrote:What's worse is we're seeing the first appearance of Darkseid in the Nu52, and he is definitely different. So, that really confuses whether the Great Darkness Saga happened and how it went down.

I'm not too worried about that. Time travel offers so many convenient loopholes, LOL.

by **SaturnKnight** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:19 pm

Gratuitious bump. :wink:

by **Arion** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:10 pm

Lord Ice wrote:What's worse is we're seeing the first appearance of Darkseid in the Nu52, and he is definitely different. So, that really confuses whether the Great Darkness Saga happened and how it went down.

It's been a long time since DC had any respect for continuity. Infinite Crisis was a reboot, and this DC New 52 is also a reboot.

by **Pecs** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:03 pm

Marvel and DC kill their own quality what with all the events that cockblock regular stories.

by **SaturnKnight** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:07 pm

Pecs wrote:Marvel and DC kill their own quality what with all the events that cockblock regular stories.

I don't think you have anything to worry about as far as reboots for DC anymore. The New 52 is the status quo now, like COIE was before for a couple of decades.

If there are any events, it'll be things like Blackest Night--stories that don't reboot continuity.

by **Pecs** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:16 pm

I don't read comics anymore, heh.

by **Arion** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:39 pm

Pecs wrote:Marvel and DC kill their own quality what with all the events that cockblock regular stories.

Yes , it's a serious problem.

by **SaturnKnight** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:01 am

Pecs wrote:I don't read comics anymore, heh.

Now I'm totally bummed out, dude.

by **SaturnKnight** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:01 am

Arion wrote:
Yes , it's a serious problem.

I think it's worse at Marvel nowadays. Much worse.

by **Arion** » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:00 pm

SaturnKnight wrote:I don't think you have anything to worry about as far as reboots for DC anymore. The New 52 is the status quo now, like COIE was before for a couple of decades.

If there are any events, it'll be things like Blackest Night--stories that don't reboot continuity.

2006 Infinite Crisis. Reboot. New continuity. Only 6 years later reboot + new continuity.