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[Grayson]

I don't buy that, I mean I understand because it's DLC why someone would think that but this is a species who is vital to this games mythology which leads me to believe this character and his species may be pretty big in the game. (Sort of like Catwoman in Arkham City)

Don't get me wrong, I hope that you're right. For one, he looks cool and interesting:



Second, his inclusion (if indeed intergrated into the main story) could shed some important light upon the mythology of the series while also foreshadowing possible story elements for future games in the series. Remember, Mass Effect 3 has always been advertised as the end of Shepard's story, not the end of the series.

[misac]

Mass Effect 2 is the main reason that I currently own an X-Box 360. I was lucky enough to be able to pre-order a copy of the Collector's Edition for X-Box 360 and I am very excited for its release. I am really excited about the idea that I can actually choose how much story and action are in the game. As a whole, I enjoy playing these games for the choices and the story. There are hundreds of mindless action games out there, its refreshing to have something different.

However, there are a couple of things that I have heard that I bugging me. I don't like the fact that the amount of permanent squad members has been scaled down from Mass Effect 2. I went to the extra effort to save all of my crew, so the least that BioWare could do is reward those of us who accomplished this feat by giving us access to our entire crew. Of course, on the flip side of that, I don't like the fact that characters like Ashley/Kaiden and Liara are being forced back into scene. Liara became massively annoying during Mass Effect 2 (especially the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC) and the only interest that I have in Ashley is to tell her to piss off so that my Shepard can run off with Miranda.

I can't believe the limited edition is sold out on Amazon. I was holding off on ordering in case they got more.

[Strict31]

The survival of a Prothean would and should be one of the single most important things about this story.

Not who you can fuck.

Not who your squad will be.

A Prothean who somehow survived being completely wiped out by the guys who are now trying to wipe out humanity...this is something that goddamned well should be integrated into the story. In no way should he be relegated to the same status as Zaheed or Kasumi. Throughout the first two games, the fate of the Protheans has been a major plot point. I mean, there's nothing about Zaheed or Kasumi that made them integral to the story. But the Protheans? The revelation discovered on Ilos is a major part of the first game's story. The identity of the Collectors is a major part of the second game's story.

And now, to find out that one survives...to have that be shuffled off to the realm of entirely optional DLC is one of the dumbest things Bioware could have done story-wise.

This seems like either a fuck-up, or a cash grab thanks to EA. This wouldn't be the first time Bioware planned to include a character in one of their games but couldn't for whatever reasons, and just ended up including that character as launch day DLC. And reading the art book description of the character and the design process, it seems clear they had some plans.

I'm not trying to say that everyone here has to give a shit about what I give a shit about, even if it may sound that way. But if you're interested in the story of the game, and feel that a Prothean squad member isn't a major deal, then you're probably not really all that interested in the story of the game. Again, that's fine, because opinions vary; different folks can get different enjoyment out of the same game.

But I'm just sayin', a surviving Prothean is too important to be relegated to DLC. And the fact that they've done so, and may be charging you for it on launch does not bode well.

[Strict31]

Mass Effect 2 is the main reason that I currently own an X-Box 360. I was lucky enough to be able to pre-order a copy of the Collector's Edition for X-Box 360 and I am very excited for its release. I am really excited about the idea that I can actually choose how much story and action are in the game. As a whole, I enjoy playing these games for the choices and the story. There are hundreds of mindless action games out there, its refreshing to have something different.

However, there are a couple of things that I have heard that I bugging me. I don't like the fact that the amount of permanent squad members has been scaled down from Mass Effect 2. I went to the extra effort to save all of my crew, so the least that BioWare could do is reward those of us who accomplished this feat by giving us access to our entire crew. Of course, on the flip side of that, I don't like the fact that characters like Ashley/Kaiden and Liara are being forced back into scene. Liara became massively annoying during Mass Effect 2 (especially the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC) and the only interest that I have in Ashley is to tell her to piss off so that my Shepard can run off with Miranda.

I actually felt Liara and Ashely/Kaiden were forced out of the second game, just so they could squeeze Miranda and Jacob and so forth in. The whole "working for Cerberus" thing was always contrived. I felt more of a connection to Liara than Miranda or even Jack, and I was pleased to see them pick up Liara's story with Lair of the Shadowbroker. The way they just put Liara in the corner was clumsy and ill-conceived.

Yeah, we'll change her entire focus, and turn her into a nascent crimelord, because that's often a fallback career for scientists and archaeologists. Oh, and instead of explaining it in-game, you'll have to read a comic book in order to find out what's going on with her.

Shit, Lair of the Shadowbroker should have been part of the main quest, even if Liara wasn't going to be available as a squad member. But whatever. They realized they'd left that thread dangling like a limp cock, and they dealt with it.

But I think we'll be seeing members of both squads in some role in the game. Like Mordin in the demo. He's not a squaddie, but he's still involved in the story.

Won't really miss Jacob or Thane if they're not around...will sorta miss Grunt, because he amused me. But I'm fine with Wrex being back. He was my boy.

It's also kind of interesting that the enemy types are being conceived along similar lines as the darkspawn in Dragon Age. Remember how the different types of Darkspawn were each based on a specific race? Like, the Hurlocks were mutated from humans, and Genlocks from dwarves?

Well, they're doing something similar with the Reaper-spawn in ME3. There will be types that were based on humans, Batarians, Krogans, etc.

[Grayson]

The survival of a Prothean would and should be one of the single most important things about this story.

Agreed. The Prothean's have been almost as crucial a part of this series as Shepard himself.

Not who you can fuck.

Not who your squad will be.

I am going to slightly disagree with you here. The choices that you make in Mass Effect are a very integral part of the game, whether they are choices that effect the story or choices that effect the personalization of your game experience. For me, personally, these games would not have been as much fun if they hadn't included such great characters. So instance, Mass Effect 2 wouldn't have been as enjoyable for me if they had excluded Garrus, Tali, Miranda, or Thane. I would have been forced to use characters like Jack who were too one dimensional for my tastes. Other people like other characters and that's fine. That is exactly what I am talking about. You get the chance to build relationships with the characters that you want too. I feel that as the story has progressed, I have come to care about what happens to most of my squad and finding out what happens to them is just as important to me as finding out what happens to Shepard.

A Prothean who somehow survived being completely wiped out by the guys who are now trying to wipe out humanity...this is something that goddamned well should be integrated into the story. In no way should he be relegated to the same status as Zaheed or Kasumi. Throughout the first two games, the fate of the Protheans has been a major plot point. I mean, there's nothing about Zaheed or Kasumi that made them integral to the story. But the Protheans? The revelation discovered on Ilos is a major part of the first game's story. The identity of the Collectors is a major part of the second game's story.

And now, to find out that one survives...to have that be shuffled off to the realm of entirely optional DLC is one of the dumbest things Bioware could have done story-wise.

This seems like either a fuck-up, or a cash grab thanks to EA. This wouldn't be the first time Bioware planned to include a character in one of their games but couldn't for whatever reasons, and just ended up including that character as launch day DLC. And reading the art book description of the character and the design process, it seems clear they had some plans.

I'm not trying to say that everyone here has to give a shit about what I give a shit about, even if it may sound that way. But if you're interested in the story of the game, and feel that a Prothean squad member isn't a major deal, then you're probably not really all that interested in the story of the game. Again, that's fine, because opinions vary; different folks can get different enjoyment out of the same game.

But I'm just sayin', a surviving Prothean is too important to be relegated to DLC. And the fact that they've done so, and may be charging you for it on launch does not bode well.

Once again, I completely agree. If they were going to include a Prothean squad member, then he should have always been integrated into the main story. Its too important to the entirety of the series to compress into a few optional side quests. Now granted, earlier I was saying that the other squad members are just as important to me as Shepard but it seems to me that BioWare should have realized that fans of the series would have rather had a potential Prothean squad member than say the inclusion of yet another human such as James Vega or a cameo by IGN's Jessica Chobot (whose character resembles Snooki).

[Strict31]

Agreed. The Prothean's have been almost as crucial a part of this series as Shepard himself.



I am going to slightly disagree with you here. The choices that you make in Mass Effect are a very integral part of the game, whether they are choices that effect the story or choices that effect the personalization of your game experience. For me, personally, these games would not have been as much fun if they hadn't included such great characters. So instance, Mass Effect 2 wouldn't have been as enjoyable for me if they had excluded Garrus, Tali, Miranda, or Thane. I would have been forced to use characters like Jack who were too one dimensional for my tastes. Other people like other characters and that's fine. That is exactly what I am talking about. You get the chance to build relationships with the characters that you want too. I feel that as the story has progressed, I have come to care about what happens to most of my squad and finding out what happens to them is just as important to me as finding out what happens to Shepard.



Once again, I completely agree. If they were going to include a Prothean squad member, then he should have always been integrated into the main story. Its too important to the entirety of the series to compress into a few optional side quests. Now granted, earlier I was saying that the other squad members are just as important to me as Shepard but it seems to me that BioWare should have realized that fans of the series would have rather had a potential Prothean squad member than say the inclusion of yet another human such as James Vega or a cameo by IGN's Jessica Chobot (whose character resembles Snooki).

Yeah, I'm not interested in Vega or in having Chobot's reporter chick hanging around the ship. Make those fuckfaces DLC...

[Jack Burton]

I love the entire me series. Me2 is probably my favorite game of this generation. So I am eager to get 3.

That said other I don't like how it seem most of the squad mates from me2 are unavailable. I want to play with Mordin damn it! He was the best character in Ithe game! And where's my Krogan badass? It doesn't feel right not to have one.

[Benderbrau]

I love the entire me series. Me2 is probably my favorite game of this generation. So I am eager to get 3.

That said other I don't like how it seem most of the squad mates from me2 are unavailable. I want to play with Mordin damn it! He was the best character in the game! And where's my Morgan badass? It doesn't feel right not to have one.

Mordin? Really?? I may have to go back and look at my game again then. I usually pick Garrus for sniping and Miranda for her team boosters.

[Jack Burton]

Mordins fire ammo was awesome but I loved his personality. Squad wise it was Garrus and Grunt or Garrus and Miranda or Garrus and Mordin. .....

I like Garrus.

[doombug]

The survival of a Prothean would and should be one of the single most important things about this story.

Not who you can fuck.

Not who your squad will be.

A Prothean who somehow survived being completely wiped out by the guys who are now trying to wipe out humanity...this is something that goddamned well should be integrated into the story. In no way should he be relegated to the same status as Zaheed or Kasumi. Throughout the first two games, the fate of the Protheans has been a major plot point. I mean, there's nothing about Zaheed or Kasumi that made them integral to the story. But the Protheans? The revelation discovered on Ilos is a major part of the first game's story. The identity of the Collectors is a major part of the second game's story.

And now, to find out that one survives...to have that be shuffled off to the realm of entirely optional DLC is one of the dumbest things Bioware could have done story-wise.

This seems like either a fuck-up, or a cash grab thanks to EA. This wouldn't be the first time Bioware planned to include a character in one of their games but couldn't for whatever reasons, and just ended up including that character as launch day DLC. And reading the art book description of the character and the design process, it seems clear they had some plans.

I'm not trying to say that everyone here has to give a shit about what I give a shit about, even if it may sound that way. But if you're interested in the story of the game, and feel that a Prothean squad member isn't a major deal, then you're probably not really all that interested in the story of the game. Again, that's fine, because opinions vary; different folks can get different enjoyment out of the same game.

But I'm just sayin', a surviving Prothean is too important to be relegated to DLC. And the fact that they've done so, and may be charging you for it on launch does not bode well.

This by a lot. This is why when I clicked on the thread and the 6 comments below your first post said nothing about such a major story point like that not even being discussed I had to say something.

Someone in studio fucked up here. They better reverse the charging of it and hopefully he's a big player somehow.

[doombug]

The fact that we haven't heard anything about anyone other than our core team members that the fanbase loves (We've seen Garrus/Liara/Ashley/Kaidan/Wrex and Mordin) and there are 2 new useless human characters (fuck Jessica Chobot and Freddie prince Junior's character looks stupid) makes me wonder where the hell guys like Thane and Legion are.

We know Miranda is going to be around and I swear I saw Legion in cut scene but it's just weird that it feels like we're missing a huge chunk of the supporting cast from both games.

Oh and where is Tali?

[MrBlack]

the "dumbed down" demo was because they had to limit a lot of the options in the demo to make it fit the live publishing.

And the multiplayer is insanely good.

So they say. I'll believe it when I see it.

Couldn't care less about multiplayer. That's not why I play a story centric RPG.

[Strict31]

So they say. I'll believe it when I see it.

Couldn't care less about multiplayer. That's not why I play a story centric RPG.

Indeed. But shit like Firefight mode in Halo had a bit of an appeal. And after reading an interview with Skyrim's Todd Howard yesterday, it seems there are going to be more and more developers out there trying to broaden their appeal from just a single genre or style of play. Bioware's already talked about this last year, in fact.

I definitely don't want them to focus of multiplayer elements to the detriment of story, but there are many times I've picked up ME2 over the past year and wanted nothing more than to kill shit without worrying about loyalty quests and such. So, there may be some appeal.

[Grayson]

The fact that we haven't heard anything about anyone other than our core team members that the fanbase loves (We've seen Garrus/Liara/Ashley/Kaidan/Wrex and Mordin) and there are 2 new useless human characters (fuck Jessica Chobot and Freddie prince Junior's character looks stupid) makes me wonder where the hell guys like Thane and Legion are.

We know Miranda is going to be around and I swear I saw Legion in cut scene but it's just weird that it feels like we're missing a huge chunk of the supporting cast from both games.

Oh and where is Tali?

From what I understand every squad member that survived up to this point will be in the game in some way. So far out of all of the previous squad members, only Garrus, Tali, Kaiden/Ashley (depending on who survived Virmire), and Liara have been confirmed to be returning as permanent squad members. They are joined by the addition of the new character James Vega.

Providing they survived; Miranda, Thane, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, Grunt, Jacob, Zaeed, Kasumi, and Jack have all been confirmed to be appearing in Mass Effect 3 but the capacity of their roles has not been specified. The only characters who I haven't read anything about are Samara/Morinth.

[Strict31]

From what I understand every squad member that survived up to this point will be in the game in some way. So far out of all of the previous squad members, only Garrus, Tali, Kaiden/Ashley (depending on who survived Virmire), and Liara have been confirmed to be returning as permanent squad members. They are joined by the addition of the new character James Vega.

Providing they survived; Miranda, Thane, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, Grunt, Jacob, Zaeed, Kasumi, and Jack have all been confirmed to be appearing in Mass Effect 3 but the capacity of their roles has not been specified. The only characters who I haven't read anything about are Samara/Morinth.

Jack has become an instructor at Grissom Academy. Dunno how they got to that particular leap.

Even EDI seems poised to have a more active role, because they've given her a physical body. Dunno why unless she's a squaddie, because the entire idea of giving her a body seems ate-up-with-a-dumb-ass. I mean, there's no reason I can immediately see for it.