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by **Chris** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:10 pm

Awesome issue. I'm fully on board with Remender's Secret Avengers.

Love that it ties into the current X-Force arc as well, with Father.

by **doombug** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:28 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Zechs needs to be on the winning side at least once in his life.

But Bubba has been right all along in how much of a waste of space Hawkeye is. The last .1 issue of Secret Avengers and issue #4 of Avenging Spider-Man showed all that.

You enjoy being wrong all the time?

Especially when your siding with the canadian and the drunkard. :smt011

by **Dragavon** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:33 pm

doombug wrote:You enjoy being wrong all the time?

Especially when your siding with the canadian and the drunkard.

Canadians can be very wise. It's all that time spent in isolation with the snow and the moose (mooses? meese?)

by **Log-Man** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:36 pm

doombug wrote:You enjoy being wrong all the time?

Especially when your siding with the canadian and the drunkard.

That sounds like an 80s detective show.

by **Zechs** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:00 pm

Log-Man wrote:
That sounds like an 80s detective show.

I'd watch it.

by **doombug** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:23 pm

Log-Man wrote:
That sounds like an 80s detective show.

I think it was actually. :lol:

by **sdsichero** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:36 pm

Zechs wrote:
I'd watch it.

Only cause you're "starring" in it.

by **SilverPhoenix** » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:22 pm

Punchy wrote:
Is not always a good thing.

But it's always better than stagnation or regression.

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:06 am

I'm not convinced he's dead.

Between this and X-Force I'm very disappointed this week. One of my favorite writers just writing bad stories with terrible artists.

This has to be the least "Secret" team ever. Now Hawkeye, Pym, Human Torch, and Venom know about it? According to the AvsX stuff Thor, Ms Marvel, Protector, and Vision will know about it to some degree.

Ugh.

by **chap22** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:45 am

Best issue of anything I've ever read from Remender, but it still ain't great. Hawkeye flipping out over Venom is laughably bad writing considering he once knowingly and happily volunteered to lead a team of super-villains who wrecked Avengers Mansion and nearly killed Jarvis, Herc, Cap and Black Knight. Especially since this is a different Venom...blech.

Also, Hardman would be great on street-level, crime type stuff, but four-color superheroes? Ugh. How Chris can love this guy and hate Bradshaw (who is just lighting it up on Wolvy & the X-Men) truly boggles my mind...

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:15 am

chap22 wrote:Best issue of anything I've ever read from Remender, but it still ain't great. Hawkeye flipping out over Venom is laughably bad writing considering he once knowingly and happily volunteered to lead a team of super-villains who wrecked Avengers Mansion and nearly killed Jarvis, Herc, Cap and Black Knight. Especially since this is a different Venom...blech.

Also, Hardman would be great on street-level, crime type stuff, but four-color superheroes? Ugh. How Chris can love this guy and hate Bradshaw (who is just lighting it up on Wolvy & the X-Men) truly boggles my mind...

Remender is a great writer but like Azzarello and Morrison does his best work when its just barely connected to the universe at large with little known or personally created characters.

by **e_galston** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:58 am

i definitely agree that i don't think he's dead.

by **fieldy snuts** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:07 am

Solicit said "An Avenger dies and Venom joins the team"

by **avengingtitan** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:09 am

fieldy snuts wrote:Solicit said "An Avenger dies and Venom joins the team"

Yea well they aren't always the most truthful things.

by **Punchy** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:15 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
But it's always better than stagnation or regression.

But that's what people like Eric O'Grady do, they stagnate.

What would be the point of redeeming the Irredeemable Ant-Man? It goes agains the whole point of the character, and just makes him another average superhero.