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by **alaska1125** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:49 pm

*sigh*. Remember when...

?

I sure do. Miss the Masters of Evil. That said, I'll admit to being intrigued by the latest iteration of the Dark Avengers.

by **Punchy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:06 pm

Avengers #23 – More fun with the Avengers taking on HAMMER, but this time, after the rather depressing #22 where our heroes were pretty much defeated, this one had them fighting back. It was really awesome when Daisy shook the HAMMER headquarters to it’s core and set everyone else free, it’s great to see Quake show up now that Secret Warriors has been cancelled and take on a starring role. Her dialogue scenes with Spider-Woman were really fun. Of course at the end the bane of Bendis’ Avengers run showed up, Ninjas. Only this week I had a rant at an Outhouse poster who lazily claimed that Bendis’ Avengers only ever fight Ninjas, slamming them for making such an obvious observation and one that’s not true, even claiming that it’s probably been about 3 years since a Ninja showed up. So of course this issue had to feature them. Typical. Oh well, at least they aren’t the only threat, they are side show to Osborn. Daniel Acuna’s art was great, I’m really glad he’s back, Guedes was OK, but Acuna is just so unique.

by **Punchy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:06 pm

New Avengers #22 – I’ve been enjoying how this book has been meshing with Avengers in this arc so far, but this issue raised a quibble for me, how is Doctor Rapaccini managing to be trying to dissect Iron Man over in Avengers, at the same time as she’s dressed up as Ms. Marvel for Osborn’s Dark Avengers? It’s strange that there would be a discrepancy, because both books are written by the same person. Odd. Maybe it’s a Skrull! No, let’s not start that again. I liked how this issue explored Victoria Hand’s allegiances and how her interrogation scene just kept twisting and turning. It was especially cool how the team used Wolverine and Daredevil as lie-detectors, with a power-set like that, the New Avengers are a team you don’t want to lie to. Luke Cage going rogue is something we’ve seen before, but we all know that you never fuck with his wife, I imagine he’s going straight for Osborn to kick his ass. The ending with Skaar turning on the Dark Avengers surprised me, we were all so focussed on the traitor in the Avengers mix (Victoria Hand) that we didn’t even think of the possibility of an inside-man going the other way. Clever.

by **48THRiLLS** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:12 pm

While I may not be hating these two books, I am looking forward to the Norman stuff to end.

by **e_galston** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:15 pm

Punchy wrote:New Avengers #22 – I’ve been enjoying how this book has been meshing with Avengers in this arc so far, but this issue raised a quibble for me, how is Doctor Rapaccini managing to be trying to dissect Iron Man over in Avengers, at the same time as she’s dressed up as Ms. Marvel for Osborn’s Dark Avengers? It’s strange that there would be a discrepancy, because both books are written by the same person. Odd. Maybe it’s a Skrull! No, let’s not start that again. I liked how this issue explored Victoria Hand’s allegiances and how her interrogation scene just kept twisting and turning. It was especially cool how the team used Wolverine and Daredevil as lie-detectors, with a power-set like that, the New Avengers are a team you don’t want to lie to. Luke Cage going rogue is something we’ve seen before, but we all know that you never fuck with his wife, I imagine he’s going straight for Osborn to kick his ass. The ending with Skaar turning on the Dark Avengers surprised me, we were all so focussed on the traitor in the Avengers mix (Victoria Hand) that we didn’t even think of the possibility of an inside-man going the other way. Clever.

Its not a discrepancy since its not Monica Rapaccini dressed up as Ms. Marvel.. its Diedre Wentworth (Superia) who is Ms. Marvel.

by **GHERU** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:20 pm

I'd been waiting on Skaar to turn on Osborn's team from the get-go. The last we saw him he wanted to be a hero, or at least not viewed as a monster, and it never sat right with me that he'd team up with obvious villians

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Holland Oats wrote:I can't defend Avengers anymore.

I have loved Bendis' run(s). Even this current volume.

This whole Norman Osborn/Hydra/HAMMER thing should've been great. It looked great on paper. But it's been a mess.

I feel the same way.

Up until recently, I'd regularly say that Bendis was neither as bad as his detractor nor as good as his supporters described him. Judging by stuff like this week's Moon Knight, I'd still say that. However since the end of Siege he seems to phoning it in when it comes to his writing on the main Avengers books.

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:43 pm

MistaT wrote:I am glad to see that Victoria Hand is on the up and up, I've grown to like her.

Also the Skaar moment was pretty cool too!

Yeah, despite my complaints about his overall writing on Avengers and New Avengers there are still some brights spots each issue.

by **Stephen Day** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:44 pm

GHERU wrote:I'd been waiting on Skaar to turn on Osborn's team from the get-go. The last we saw him he wanted to be a hero, or at least not viewed as a monster, and it never sat right with me that he'd team up with obvious villians

Yeah, that was another good moment.