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by **Punchy** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:58 am

Well that was pretty meh. After hating #5 this was a bit of an improvement, but still, not very good. This story pretty much neutered Darkseid and rather than big him up as a credible threat, just turned him into a generic strong person. We didn’t see any of the innovative ideas that the New Gods are known for, any spark of Kirby’s madcap genius was gone and replaced with grim 90s rubbish. And then he was defeated because Cyborg thought really hard about what it means to be a man! And then Superman punched him! And then there was a Super-Friends joke! Lame. This really is the most mediocre side of Geoff Johns’ writing, and I say this as someone who’s really enjoyed his work on Green Lantern and Aquaman post-reboot. This whole story was just average and unnecessary, like a child’s idea of The Ultimates. When you compare this to other JLA origin stories like JLA: Year One or even New Frontier, it doesn’t even compare. Hopefully now that this is out of the way, Johns and Lee can get on with telling big, wide-screen Morrison-era style JLA stories, but that’s a big if. The back-up was lame, I really don’t care about this ‘Pandora’ and I think it’s fuggin’ stupid that they had to have an in-universe reason/get-out clause for the reboot in the first place, DC should have had the courage of their convictions and just done it, not used it to plant seeds for some event or some way back.

by **IvCNuB4** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:02 am

Punchy wrote: And then he was defeated because Cyborg thought really hard about what it means to be a man!

Maybe you should re-read this issue because that is not how Cyborg helped out. This is more of a whining rant than a review :lol:

by **Punchy** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:06 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:
Maybe you should re-read this issue because that is not how Cyborg helped out. This is more of a whining rant than a review

The machine can't do it, but you're not all machine! Use your humanity!

:smt017

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:07 am

Sakie wrote:
Basically. He used his internal CPU to sync up with the Mother Boxes. He then opened them all, sent everything that came through back, and sealed them. Supposedly this also fried all of the Mother Boxes, which means it will take time for Darkseid to be able to try this again.

I'm just having a hard time believing that Cyborg would be actually able to pull that off (yeah, I get it's fiction, but there are serious suspension of disbelief issues here).

Also, it was nice to see Johns resort to ripping off Independence Day for this (more or less).

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:10 am

Punchy wrote:Well that was pretty meh. After hating #5 this was a bit of an improvement, but still, not very good. This story pretty much neutered Darkseid and rather than big him up as a credible threat, just turned him into a generic strong person. We didn’t see any of the innovative ideas that the New Gods are known for, any spark of Kirby’s madcap genius was gone and replaced with grim 90s rubbish. And then he was defeated because Cyborg thought really hard about what it means to be a man! And then Superman punched him! And then there was a Super-Friends joke! Lame. This really is the most mediocre side of Geoff Johns’ writing, and I say this as someone who’s really enjoyed his work on Green Lantern and Aquaman post-reboot. This whole story was just average and unnecessary, like a child’s idea of The Ultimates. When you compare this to other JLA origin stories like JLA: Year One or even New Frontier, it doesn’t even compare. Hopefully now that this is out of the way, Johns and Lee can get on with telling big, wide-screen Morrison-era style JLA stories, but that’s a big if. The back-up was lame, I really don’t care about this ‘Pandora’ and I think it’s fuggin’ stupid that they had to have an in-universe reason/get-out clause for the reboot in the first place, DC should have had the courage of their convictions and just done it, not used it to plant seeds for some event or some way back.

There was so much fail in this issue, it was sad. DC should let Morrison handle the NG stuff, because Johns screwed it up so bad.

by **avengingtitan** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:27 am

The Nacireman wrote:

There was so much fail in this issue, it was sad. DC should let Morrison handle the NG stuff, because Johns screwed it up so bad.

Neither of them should touch them. Do you not remember the abortion that was Final Crisis?

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:01 pm

avengingtitan wrote:Neither of them should touch them. Do you not remember the abortion that was Final Crisis?

FC was good. Not great but good. There was probably more editorial interference involved with it, which kept it from being better. DC screwing up everything surrounding FC didn't help, either.

by **Herald** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:18 pm

The Nacireman wrote:

FC was good. Not great but good. There was probably more editorial interference involved with it, which kept it from being better. DC screwing up everything surrounding FC didn't help, either.

The exact opposite, actually. They let Morrison do whatever he wanted for FC, without having to answer to anyone else. Because DiDio decided to trust Grant.

Yup, it's YET ANOTHER foolish move from Dan... :roll:

by **habitual** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:01 pm

The Nacireman wrote:

FC was good. Not great but good. There was probably more editorial interference involved with it, which kept it from being better. DC screwing up everything surrounding FC didn't help, either.

Terrible doesn't begin to cover it.

Incomprehensible would be a better word to describe Final Crisis.

I thought Infinite Crisis was the worst thing I'd ever read until I read this.

Hab

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:19 pm

I'm not going to comment on this issue for three reasons: 1. I'm trying really hard to be a nicer ElijahSnowFan, 2. I've enjoyed Aquaman very much and Johns gets credit for that from me; and 3. I still owe Johns for that whole Legion deal.

So. Next thread. Because man...this issue...wow. Next thread.

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:00 pm

Herald wrote:
The exact opposite, actually. They let Morrison do whatever he wanted for FC, without having to answer to anyone else. Because DiDio decided to trust Grant.

Yup, it's YET ANOTHER foolish move from Dan...

The DCU would be better under Morrison's control than it is under Didio and Johns. Or at least it would be more interesting.

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:04 pm

habitual wrote:
Terrible doesn't begin to cover it.

Incomprehensible would be a better word to describe Final Crisis.

I thought Infinite Crisis was the worst thing I'd ever read until I read this.

Hab

Both suffered from editorial mishandling.