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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Arion » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:16 pm

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It could be a little of both as well.

It also apparently helps when Levitz has a good collaborator like Giffen to help him in the plotting. Or at least had an artist with a less than generic view of the future.


He needs a good co plotter like Giffen, and a good artist too.

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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Arion wrote:
He needs a good co plotter like Giffen, and a good artist too.


Portela is just uninspiring and dull.

What Legion really needs is an artist who draws in a more realistic way like Grell or Lightle or Kitson (or pre-vacation Giffen). That's usuallu when the book is at it's best.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:09 pm

They should hand it over to me. I'll make it work. :-D
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:24 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:They should hand it over to me. I'll make it work. :-D

Oh, I definitely have a few ideas myself.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:16 pm

The Nacireman wrote:Oh, I definitely have a few ideas myself.


Mine are better. :P
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:54 pm

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Mine are better. :P


Show me.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:55 pm

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Show me.


I'd do an Ostrander.

I'd blend the entire print continuity into one cohesive continuity. Each decade would would reduced to be roughly a year. The LoSH is always happening a thousand years from now, so like the mainstream DCU, it's a six year old continuity. Every character that was a Legionnaire, is once again a Legionnaire. Very few are dead, but many resurrected due to the SW6 story. I would better show it as a world not much different then what we'd see in any popular sci-fi franchise. It would all be blended in. I would go back to many of the original takes, though silly at the time, work now when view correctly for today. Example - Cosmic Boy was described in that very first story as having "Super-Magnetism". On his home world where everyone has magnetic powers, he's a superhuman there. Just like with super strength or super speed, he's a super level. The Legion would be played out as it is, a group begun privately by Brande but over a year's time, proved to be a new era of super heroism. The UP would support them. All the cosmetics would be there, all the characterizations true to the original and blended with the more modern. It would be made to be accessible to new fans and old with the blended continuity and characters long gone being back. New fans could go back and enjoy the old stories and see how they could fit. Old fans could find the familiar while also finding something new. It would work with the basics and only require good writers and good art. It's Star Wars mixed with Star Trek mixed with Stargate mixed with Babylon 5 mixed with Farscape mixed with Dr Who mixed with anime and mixed with classic super-hero comics along with being mixed with modern big movie super-heroics. The series would feel like a blend of both the JLA and the Teen Titans, because that's what it is. Or more so, more like what the New Teen Titans were like back in the very early 80s. Think JLU too. I'd blend in some what has now become rather esoteric history of the DCU into the worlds of the UP.

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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:03 am

Cat-Scratch wrote:
I'd do an Ostrander.

I'd blend the entire print continuity into one cohesive continuity. Each decade would would reduced to be roughly a year. The LoSH is always happening a thousand years from now, so like the mainstream DCU, it's a six year old continuity. Every character that was a Legionnaire, is once again a Legionnaire. Very few are dead, but many resurrected due to the SW6 story. I would better show it as a world not much different then what we'd see in any popular sci-fi franchise. It would all be blended in. I would go back to many of the original takes, though silly at the time, work now when view correctly for today. Example - Cosmic Boy was described in that very first story as having "Super-Magnetism". On his home world where everyone has magnetic powers, he's a superhuman there. Just like with super strength or super speed, he's a super level. The Legion would be played out as it is, a group begun privately by Brande but over a year's time, proved to be a new era of super heroism. The UP would support them. All the cosmetics would be there, all the characterizations true to the original and blended with the more modern. It would be made to be accessible to new fans and old with the blended continuity and characters long gone being back. New fans could go back and enjoy the old stories and see how they could fit. Old fans could find the familiar while also finding something new. It would work with the basics and only require good writers and good art. It's Star Wars mixed with Star Trek mixed with Stargate mixed with Babylon 5 mixed with Farscape mixed with Dr Who mixed with anime and mixed with classic super-hero comics along with being mixed with modern big movie super-heroics. The series would feel like a blend of both the JLA and the Teen Titans, because that's what it is. Or more so, more like what the New Teen Titans were like back in the very early 80s. Think JLU too. I'd blend in some what has now become rather esoteric history of the DCU into the worlds of the UP.

:-D


I've been all for compressing the Legion's history down to about a five-year period. The Adventure run could easily fit into a one-year period, and with the Action run with it. That way, the team would be no older than their early 20's, with some still in their teen years. Cos was supposed to be 14 when the Legion started, so he'd be about 19 in the "present." Garth & Imra would be around 23, with the twins still being in their toddler years.

I'd move the book over to the Superman titles, so those ties would be enhanced. Supergirl would be a member in the "present" day team, showing up a couple of times a year or so. (Superboy would be with the Titans, but he'd show up in Legion once in a while as well). Supes would show up maybe once a year or so.

I'll discuss some other ideas later, when it isn't too late at night.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby IvCNuB4 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:28 am

You guys should flesh these ideas out, write them up, and submit them to DC. Not sure if they are taking unsolicited works right now but stranger things have happened. Hey, that's how Shooter got the job way back when.
At least you could say that you gave it a try 8)
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:49 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:You guys should flesh these ideas out, write them up, and submit them to DC. Not sure if they are taking unsolicited works right now but stranger things have happened. Hey, that's how Shooter got the job way back when.
At least you could say that you gave it a try 8)


If I thought there was a snowball's chance of that actually happening, I would have sent in my "fix Nightwing" proposal into DC years ago.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Herald » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:56 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:You guys should flesh these ideas out, write them up, and submit them to DC. Not sure if they are taking unsolicited works right now but stranger things have happened. Hey, that's how Shooter got the job way back when.
At least you could say that you gave it a try 8)


That was back when they weren't stuck far up their own behinds.

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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:48 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
I've been all for compressing the Legion's history down to about a five-year period. The Adventure run could easily fit into a one-year period, and with the Action run with it. That way, the team would be no older than their early 20's, with some still in their teen years. Cos was supposed to be 14 when the Legion started, so he'd be about 19 in the "present." Garth & Imra would be around 23, with the twins still being in their toddler years.

I'd move the book over to the Superman titles, so those ties would be enhanced. Supergirl would be a member in the "present" day team, showing up a couple of times a year or so. (Superboy would be with the Titans, but he'd show up in Legion once in a while as well). Supes would show up maybe once a year or so.

I'll discuss some other ideas later, when it isn't too late at night.


I'd have Rokk, Garth and Imra the same age and the same age as Dick Grayson. No kids, no marriages but the relationships would be the same. Superman would be a member as they're having it/had it where they come back and get him. Same with Supergirl but I'd also have Laurel "Andromeda" Gand as a member too. Same with Kon-El. Like I said, every member is still a member. I'd also bring in Kel-El from the animated series. The Superman connection would always be there no matter what.
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Strict31 wrote:Listen to Feline Mussolini.
Strict31 wrote:You're goddamned insane.
achilles wrote:Pay no attention to Cat-Scratch people; he's insane from all that cat-nip.
Lord Simian wrote:"Us"? This is YOUR Kongdamn fault, mister "Bets on when this place will break again"....
Psivage wrote:Don't trust a cat. They are always up to no good.
Ragnascratch is coming... maybe.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:57 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:You guys should flesh these ideas out, write them up, and submit them to DC. Not sure if they are taking unsolicited works right now but stranger things have happened. Hey, that's how Shooter got the job way back when.
At least you could say that you gave it a try 8)



Only scratched the surface, I got tired and didn't feel like rivaling Strict for post length champion. :lol: :wink:

They'd probably never go for it since they, the powers that be at DC, can't seem to recognize what can really work. They've tossed out more good concepts then bad over the decades.

If I got the gig, I'd be having a reboot again, but the over all under lying plot would be to re-establish some of the old concepts and bring them into the present continuity. Create a playground filled with Easter Eggs fro old fans to come across, maybe scream about in anger :twisted: . The big plot would be an exploration of not just the history of the DCU, but also the various big cosmic concepts. Ancient Atlantis, modern Atlantis, Maltus, The Oans, The Controllers, The New Gods, Lords of Order, Lords of Chaos, meta-genes, Hypertime and the Multiverse. It would all inter tie while also giving a variety of stories showcasing each of the Legionnaires and their home worlds. Establish the basics within the first year. After all that, it's growing it all further.

They'd tell me to go fuck myself. They want a fast buck and nothing too complex. :smt011
After all, they passed up on MightyGodKing....
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Strict31 wrote:To quote Hunter S. Thompson, there is nothing more despicable than a cat in the depths of a nip binge..
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Strict31 wrote:You're goddamned insane.
achilles wrote:Pay no attention to Cat-Scratch people; he's insane from all that cat-nip.
Lord Simian wrote:"Us"? This is YOUR Kongdamn fault, mister "Bets on when this place will break again"....
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Cat-Scratch » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:58 pm

Herald wrote:
That was back when they weren't stuck far up their own behinds.


So far up there, we can't see their belts anymore and their knees are starting to disappear too.
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Strict31 wrote:To quote Hunter S. Thompson, there is nothing more despicable than a cat in the depths of a nip binge..
Strict31 wrote:Listen to Feline Mussolini.
Strict31 wrote:You're goddamned insane.
achilles wrote:Pay no attention to Cat-Scratch people; he's insane from all that cat-nip.
Lord Simian wrote:"Us"? This is YOUR Kongdamn fault, mister "Bets on when this place will break again"....
Psivage wrote:Don't trust a cat. They are always up to no good.
Ragnascratch is coming... maybe.
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Re: Can we call the DCnU Legion Series a flop yet?

Postby Juan Cena » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:34 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:
I'd have Rokk, Garth and Imra the same age and the same age as Dick Grayson. No kids, no marriages but the relationships would be the same. Superman would be a member as they're having it/had it where they come back and get him. Same with Supergirl but I'd also have Laurel "Andromeda" Gand as a member too. Same with Kon-El. Like I said, every member is still a member. I'd also bring in Kel-El from the animated series. The Superman connection would always be there no matter what.


I don't see why Rokk needs to be the came age as Garth and Imra. He could be a few years younger than them. If you go with putting Legion continuity into a 5-yr. window, Rokk would probably be about nineteen in the "present" (if we go by the idea he was 14 when the Legion started). He's the perfect age where he can connect with younger and older members.

One of the things that would greatly help Legion is if there were a greater distribution of age ranges among the members. As of now, it looks like they're all in their mid-to-late 20's.
Having a few of the pre-1980 crew being in their late teens wouldn't be such a bad thing. Put the 5-yr window in, and you can have it.
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Strict31 wrote:I'm not sure that combining the nigh-uncontrollable power of LOLtron with the Nacireman is a good idea. Some years from now, when mankind is on the verge of extinction, we'll be able to look back and remember this moment, and say, "DANG."


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