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[avengingtitan]

Both critical and commercial successes.

Go back and re-read that exchange. I was defending Kevin Smith. I love his comic work........................ when they actually come out.

[avengingtitan]

JMS is a douche.

I hate repeating something I said in another thread to another poster but
Pot leave kettle alone.

[alaska1125]

I hate repeating something I said in another thread to another poster but
Pot leave kettle alone.

If he's calling him a douche because of the Twelve, Squadron Supreme, or the pretty much God-awful Superman: Grounded, then I can't argue the point. Well, other than it makes him more unreliable than a douche. But if it's about his comment on this? I guess agree to disagree as I find them spot on.

[Juan Cena]

I hate repeating something I said in another thread to another poster but
Pot leave kettle alone.

Or is Punchy the kettle, and he needs to leave the pot alone?

[fieldy snuts]

I'm not going to buy it not because of an obligation to crazy old man Moore, but because I could honestly not give a fuck about Before Watchmen or Watchmen which sits on my bookshelf for me to only touch once in a blue moon.

[Punchy]

I hate repeating something I said in another thread to another poster but
Pot leave kettle alone.

Did you just compare me to JMS?

I've never been so insulted in all my life.

[bkthomson]

Did you just compare me to JMS?

I've never been so insulted in all my life.

You have not been insulted a lot then?

[David Bird]

I haven't read the thread all the way through, so perhaps this has already been addressed, but what about the rights of co-creators? Not just Gibbons and Moore. Should one have a veto over the other?

[avengingtitan]

Did you just compare me to JMS?

I've never been so insulted in all my life.

Really he's the one that should be insulted. I know I'd be pissed if someone compared me to a pipsqueak.

[Arion]

You have not been insulted a lot then?

Insults are nowehere to be found in a message board such as this!

[Max Blyss]

Moore needs to shut up about 20+ year old books.

Write another Promethea, you ale - sodden, limey prick!

[bkthomson]

If he's calling him a douche because of the Twelve, Squadron Supreme, or the pretty much God-awful Superman: Grounded, then I can't argue the point. Well, other than it makes him more unreliable than a douche. But if it's about his comment on this? I guess agree to disagree as I find them spot on.

See my issue with JMS is that he hides behind his editors or company when he stops a book midway and does not take responsibility of his actions and just does not seem to care enough to come forward about. That I do find to be as Punchy, put it douche. Though I also agree with your point that it makes him more unreliable. so I look at it as a combination of both your opinions.

[David Bird]

I haven't read the thread all the way through, so perhaps this has already been addressed, but what about the rights of co-creators? Not just Gibbons and Moore. Should one have a veto over the other?

Well? Anyone?

[SilverPhoenix]

After reading this Interview twice, here are the things I took away from it.

1) If it wasn't already obvious, DC got real fucking lucky with how Watchmen was able to capture the zetigeist of the Comic Book Fans, along with capturing the attention of those who usually don't read comics. Of course, this isn't saying that Watchmen is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the fact that DC can do what it wants with the property because the original will never go out of print has got to be one of the greatest instances of pure dumb luck in their favor.

2) Alan Moore has every right to feel the way he does about this situation, no matter how much kicking and screaming that his nay sayers do.

3) While I empathize with Moore, his bad experiences have shaped his perception on the medium in such a way that they make him blind to the many examples of exemplary work since Watchmen. Not only does he pay a disservice to the medium as a whole (even if I do respect the reasons why he feels this way), but his mindset inadvertently contributes to the next point....

4) On its biggest stage, The Comics Industry (not Medium, because there is no inherit mechanism that automatically makes medium an inherit driver for Nostalgia) is far too obsessed with the past. Whether it be the nearly endless use of characters created in the first 2/3rds of the 20th century, to the slavish devotion to a marketable status-quo that makes lasting changes to the shared Universe's overall narrative impossible, to the celebration of the derivative, it's no wonder why we can't keep the interest of new fans long enough to make an impact. Taking all of that into consideration...

5) This has to be the most creatively bankrupt summer I've ever seen on a "mainstream" comics level. With AvX's biggest hook (because I'm not sure anyone gives a shit about the story in this case) being something they've done twice before this, with one of those times being in the past 8 months and Before Watchmen being Before Watchmen, this summer will not be for those who lament on the lack of creatively of Marvel and DC.

Personally...

- I thank my lucky stars for the Indies, otherwise I would seriously consider using the rest of year to solely continue adding to my trade collection.

- I hope Before Watchmen and AvX bring in fans that are open to different experiences

- I hope that Before Watchmen and AvX aren't so badly received, that they alienate even more people from the medium.

6) By far the most important thing I took away from all of this (and I hope I'm not alone in this) is that aspiring creators have a responsibility to think outside of the box. While there is no crime in having aspirations to write Batman and Spider Man, the medium is at a point where the next great story that's going to capture the minds of the mass market isn't going to come from those characters and unless DC and Marvel change the way they deal with creators, it won't come from those companies. It's going to come from someone who isn't held back by the way things are, but from someone who thinks of what could be.

My 22 Cents.

[Arion]

Well? Anyone?

I haven't read the entire thread...