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[Timbales]

This just in. Alan Moore still hates modern comics. That is all.


Please continue.

We have a startling update - Alan Moore's beard has declared war on Tunisia.

When asked why, Mr. Moore's beard replied "Fuck you, that's why"

[Arion]

If anyone wants to hear my opinions about Before Watchmen, here's a link:

http://artbyarion.blogspot.com/2012/02/ ... chmen.html

[David Bird]

Interesting, but...

Still ignores the creator support this project has, and

I don't think Moore's arguments regarding the re-use of others' characters is as strong as he and his fans would like to believe. Having read the arguments he put forth in the interview, he is basically saying that its okay when he does it because they are literary characters and they do this in literature all the time. Well, they re-use old comics all the time too.

And by literature, he basically means prose. Of the three sources of Lost Girls, for example, only Alice in Wonderland was considered to have any literary value. It wouldn't have taken much insight into the creators of those works to determine what value they would have put on that work. They'd have been furious.

Moreover, his argument would be stronger if he wasn't re-using others' ideas all the time. Most of his better known works are re-workings of other's ideas.

[Arion]

Interesting, but...

Still ignores the creator support this project has, and

I don't think Moore's arguments regarding the re-use of others' characters is as strong as he and his fans would like to believe. Having read the arguments he put forth in the interview, he is basically saying that its okay when he does it because they are literary characters and they do this in literature all the time. Well, they re-use old comics all the time too.

And by literature, he basically means prose. Of the three sources of Lost Girls, for example, only Alice in Wonderland was considered to have any literary value. It wouldn't have taken much insight into the creators of those works to determine what value they would have put on that work. They'd have been furious.

Moreover, his argument would be stronger if he wasn't re-using others' ideas all the time. Most of his better known works are re-workings of other's ideas.

"Interesting, but..." is addressed to me?

[habitual]

Interesting, but...

Still ignores the creator support this project has, and

I don't think Moore's arguments regarding the re-use of others' characters is as strong as he and his fans would like to believe. Having read the arguments he put forth in the interview, he is basically saying that its okay when he does it because they are literary characters and they do this in literature all the time. Well, they re-use old comics all the time too.

And by literature, he basically means prose. Of the three sources of Lost Girls, for example, only Alice in Wonderland was considered to have any literary value. It wouldn't have taken much insight into the creators of those works to determine what value they would have put on that work. They'd have been furious.

Moreover, his argument would be stronger if he wasn't re-using others' ideas all the time. Most of his better known works are re-workings of other's ideas.

I disagree with that, I think he is best known for Watchmen and V, and I enjoyed Top 10 and Promethea after those. It's arguable that Watchmen in some way is a reworking , but, the others are definitely not.

As far as the artist vs. the writer in the whom is actually the creator, Moore has always had the reputation of providing the artist with an inordinate amount of notes on how he wanted things handled, the law would most likely side with him in any dispute ordinarily.

Hab

[Arion]

I disagree with that, I think he is best known for Watchmen and V, and I enjoyed Top 10 and Promethea after those. It's arguable that Watchmen in some way is a reworking , but, the others are definitely not.

As far as the artist vs. the writer in the whom is actually the creator, Moore has always had the reputation of providing the artist with an inordinate amount of notes on how he wanted, the law would most likely side with him in any dispute ordinarily.

Hab

You make a valid point.

[David Bird]

"Interesting, but..." is addressed to me?

To your article, yes.

[David Bird]

I disagree with that, I think he is best known for Watchmen and V, and I enjoyed Top 10 and Promethea after those. It's arguable that Watchmen in some way is a reworking , but, the others are definitely not.

As far as the artist vs. the writer in the whom is actually the creator, Moore has always had the reputation of providing the artist with an inordinate amount of notes on how he wanted things handled, the law would most likely side with him in any dispute ordinarily.

Hab

Actually, his ABC stuff was inspired by pulp and Silver Age comics (I haven't read Top 10, but its very obvious in Promethea) and Watchmen by Charlton characters. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Lost Girls obviously take from other sources, and From Hell is derived from the theories of Stephen Knight. I'm not saying they suffer for that, but his attempts to differential what he's done from what DC is doing aren't as convincing as he wants them to be.

As for artist v. writer, I suspect he agrees with you, but I don't think the law would. They entered into this as co-creators and that's what they are. Gibbons wasn't working on a work-for-hire basis.

[David Bird]

LOLtron will not doubt pick this up soon, but here's my 2 cents on all this.

[Anonymous62]

Dang, you guys are young. He's best known among comic book readers for Miracleman and Swamp Thing. You guys must be more movie fans.

[Arion]

To your article, yes.

Oh, glad to know you read it.

[ReturnoftheMack]

Does Alan Moore acknowledge that he stole the Watchmen plot from an episode of Outer Limits?

Although no specific era is indicated within the story, the plot revolves around a Cold War setting in which a nuclear holocaust appears to be imminent. In an attempt to stave off a confrontation between military superpowers through uniting the world against a common enemy, a group of scientists decide to physically transform one of their own members into an alien being and stage a fake invasion of Earth.

[The Shadow]

I've never seen nor heard of any lit classes using this book.

I know it happens, but I doubt it's very widespread.

Coming to the dance late, but both the University of Alberta and Queens University have lit classes with Watchmen on the syllabus and my mother-in-law who teaches English at Augustana University is developing a course on just graphic novels that would include Watchmen, Dark Knight, Maus and a bunch more.

So yeah, it is studied.

[The Shadow]

but he actually believes in MAGIC!!!! Thats Kooky!

I watched the latest episode of Once Upon a Time last night and one character said something that your quote reminded me of... he said something to the effect of "people want a magic solution to all their problems but no one believes in magic."

Not attacking you I just thought it was an interesting quote.

[The Shadow]

I don't see anything inherently wrong with the idea of a watchmen prequel. If it tells an interesting story then I'd read them, if I were still reading comics. No one expects them to be groundbreaking or as good as the original. But if it's better than the current crop (crap) of spider-man comics or whatever then I don't see it as a waste.

I find it odd that you fond the current crop of comics to be crap... and yet you aren't reading them.

Seems a disconnect is there.