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by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:45 am

Stephen Day wrote:
When a series ends because a key creator decides to leave it and the publishing company decides not to continue the series without him, even though the sales warrant it's possible continuation, it's not exactly being cancelled in the worst sense of the word.

You actually thought that Bendis's Moon Knight was selling? At my comic-store there were barely any issues on the rack which indicated how badly it was doing. Marvel made a big mistake of giving Bendis too many books to write at once and MK became a casualty of this.

by **LobsterJ** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:54 pm

MK has been sliding down the charts since issue 1 and the latest issue was #93 on the sales charts. Which is nice because it provides proof that all those people who claimed Bendis was selling comics on his name were dead wrong.

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:57 pm

LobsterJ wrote:MK has been sliding down the charts since issue 1 and the latest issue was #93 on the sales charts. Which is nice because it provides proof that all those people who claimed Bendis was selling comics on his name were dead wrong.

Exactly my point.

by **Stephen Day** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:05 pm

draco x wrote:
You actually thought that Bendis's Moon Knight was selling? At my comic-store there were barely any issues on the rack which indicated how badly it was doing. Marvel made a big mistake of giving Bendis too many books to write at once and MK became a casualty of this.

I never said that it was selling well -- don't put words in my mouth that I never said.

I said it was selling well enough to warrant its continuation after Bendis' departure. That's very different from what you're claiming I'm saying.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/02/27/ma ... uary-2012/

81. MOON KNIGHT
01/07 #7 - 76,921
01/08 #14 - 34,569
01/09 #26 - 21,796
01/10 ---
=====
01/11 ---
02/11 ---
03/11 ---
04/11 ---
05/11 #1 - 49,018 (+167.6%)
06/11 #2 - 35,333 ( -27.9%)
07/11 #3 - 33,781 ( -4.4%)
08/11 #4 - 30,237 ( -10.5%)
09/11 #5 - 28,423 ( -6.0%)
10/11 #6 - 27,493 ( -3.3%)
11/11 #7 - 27,062 ( -1.6%)
12/11 #8 - 24,626 ( -9.0%)
01/12 #9 - 22,872 ( -7.1%)
6 mnth ( -32.3%)
1 year ( --- )
2 year ( --- )
3 year ( +4.9%)
4 year ( -33.8%)
5 year ( -70.3%)

The current creative team leave with issue #12, and it looks as though the book is ending – but that doesn’t necessarily rule out another relaunch.

Sales aren't great, but still above the level at which Marvel tends to cancel things. Not by much admittedly, but still it could have continued after Bendis left.

by **Dragavon** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:16 pm

draco x wrote:I would rather they have cancelled the Thunderbolts book rather than change it to this. The Dark Avengers as a title had their run and served their purpose as far as I am concerned.

And I would rather you STFU. But we can't always get what we want.

Seriously, if changing Thunderbolts to Dark Avengers increases sales, I'm glad. This is a damn good book that needs the attention.

by **Stephen Day** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:30 pm

Dragavon wrote:And I would rather you STFU. But we can't always get what we want.

Seriously, if changing Thunderbolts to Dark Avengers increases sales, I'm glad. This is a damn good book that needs the attention.

Agreed, I could care less what the name on the cover is if it's a series I can still enjoy reading.

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:38 pm

Dragavon wrote:And I would rather you STFU. But we can't always get what we want.

Seriously, if changing Thunderbolts to Dark Avengers increases sales, I'm glad. This is a damn good book that needs the attention.

Wow, Emo-much are we? I take it you still haven't forgiven me for slandering Philgoblin presumably. Such a shame as I like debating with you regardless of whether we agree or not. Nevertheless, I still stand by my opinion that we already have too many Avengers books at the moment and the Dark Avengers at this point are just Thunderbolts-lite with with palette-swap versions of already established characters. I would have prefered if Norman and co had been at large and went underground for the time being.

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:41 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
I never said that it was selling well -- don't put words in my mouth that I never said.

I said it was selling well enough to warrant its continuation after Bendis' departure. That's very different from what you're claiming I'm saying.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/02/27/ma ... uary-2012/

Sales aren't great, but still above the level at which Marvel tends to cancel things. Not by much admittedly, but still it could have continued after Bendis left.

If some other writer had picked it up and undid all the damage Bendis did then I could have seen it continue but by then it would have lasted 6 or 8 more issues as it would be case of too-little, too-late. Poor Moon Knight never seems to get the recognition he deserves as he is always stygmatized as a Batman ripoff.

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:42 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
Agreed, I could care less what the name on the cover is if it's a series I can still enjoy reading.

I respectfully disagree but I guess we will have to see if this works out in the long run or not.

by **Stephen Day** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:46 pm

draco x wrote:
I respectfully disagree but I guess we will have to see if this works out in the long run or not.

Fair enough.

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:53 pm

Now here are some pics of the Dark Avengers when the concept was actually interesting:

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:56 pm

And the we got this

by **draco x** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:01 pm

More pics of DA-Love the artwork here:

by **Dragavon** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:31 pm

draco x wrote:
Wow, Emo-much are we? I take it you still haven't forgiven me for slandering Philgoblin presumably. Such a shame as I like debating with you regardless of whether we agree or not. Nevertheless, I still stand by my opinion that we already have too many Avengers books at the moment and the Dark Avengers at this point are just Thunderbolts-lite with with palette-swap versions of already established characters. I would have prefered if Norman and co had been at large and went underground for the time being.

Not emo at all. Saying you don't like a title is one thing. Saying you hope it gets cancelled is crossing over into troll country. There are fans of this book.

I don't have a beef with you.

by **fieldy snuts** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:32 pm

Dragavon wrote:And I would rather you STFU. But we can't always get what we want.

Seriously, if changing Thunderbolts to Dark Avengers increases sales, I'm glad. This is a damn good book that needs the attention.

Yep, just like the massive sales Incredible Hulk had when it became Incredible Herc. Who'd have thought a Hercules book could sell so much via name association?