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[Johnny Smith]

I love the Legion

[Arion]

Long Live the Legion...

Even if some writers are killing it softly.

[Cat-Scratch]

Long Live the Legion...

Even if some writers are killing it softly.

Why should they stop since they started doing that since 1989?

[Arion]

Why should they stop since they started doing that since 1989?

You haven't enjoyed the Legion for the past 20 years?

[Cat-Scratch]

You haven't enjoyed the Legion for the past 20 years?

No where near as much as I had prior. The 5YG was good for the most part, but very apocryphal for me. The Reboot/Archie also had it's moments but also had too many bad changes and ended up going too dark. The Threeboot was... bad. Nice artwork but horrible stuff. The Fourboot/Modern stuff... is like a tease. It's almost what I want, but changed to many characters, went too politically correct and went back to being a slaughterfest and unoriginal. Add to that the fact that once again, they dumped perfectly good characters from the prior continuities. I really hate that as it spits in the face of fans of those eras. Something that I still feel was done to me way back and continues to happen.

[Juan Cena]

No where near as much as I had prior. The 5YG was good for the most part, but very apocryphal for me. The Reboot/Archie also had it's moments but also had too many bad changes and ended up going too dark. The Threeboot was... bad. Nice artwork but horrible stuff. The Fourboot/Modern stuff... is like a tease. It's almost what I want, but changed to many characters, went too politically correct and went back to being a slaughterfest and unoriginal. Add to that the fact that once again, they dumped perfectly good characters from the prior continuities. I really hate that as it spits in the face of fans of those eras. Something that I still feel was done to me way back and continues to happen.

Levitz doesn't seem too interested in doing anything with the characters from "his" Legion. He let Gates go over to Legion Lost. He never even tried to use XS. He obviously dosen't give a $#!t about trying to sort out the mess Johns left, and pretty much put it aside without explanation.

Levitz keeps me interested, but that's about it. It seems that this Legion is as much of a shadow as the groups of the past 20+ years have been.

[Arion]

No where near as much as I had prior. The 5YG was good for the most part, but very apocryphal for me. The Reboot/Archie also had it's moments but also had too many bad changes and ended up going too dark. The Threeboot was... bad. Nice artwork but horrible stuff. The Fourboot/Modern stuff... is like a tease. It's almost what I want, but changed to many characters, went too politically correct and went back to being a slaughterfest and unoriginal. Add to that the fact that once again, they dumped perfectly good characters from the prior continuities. I really hate that as it spits in the face of fans of those eras. Something that I still feel was done to me way back and continues to happen.

Well I'm a big fan of the Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning run on the Legion. And I think Waid's threeboot had a very promising start, but I dropped the title before they put Supergirl in it.

[Juan Cena]

Well I'm a big fan of the Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning run on the Legion. And I think Waid's threeboot had a very promising start, but I dropped the title before they put Supergirl in it.

The time Waid had to spend on 52 really hurt the book. Using Bedard as a co-writer during those issues didn't help either.

[Cat-Scratch]

Well I'm a big fan of the Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning run on the Legion. And I think Waid's threeboot had a very promising start, but I dropped the title before they put Supergirl in it.

I seriously believe the opposite with the Threeboot with Waid. Abnett & Lanning were much like Giffen and the Bierbaums.. apocryphal.

[Cat-Scratch]

Levitz doesn't seem too interested in doing anything with the characters from "his" Legion. He let Gates go over to Legion Lost. He never even tried to use XS. He obviously dosen't give a $#!t about trying to sort out the mess Johns left, and pretty much put it aside without explanation.

Levitz keeps me interested, but that's about it. It seems that this Legion is as much of a shadow as the groups of the past 20+ years have been.

That's been one of the longest problems in the LoSH with creators, they only use what they like and toss the rest. That to me is not the least bit professional. It's also the problem with fans turned pro too. They may bring some great stuff in as fans, but they also bring in the crap that should be left at the office door or better yet, at home.

Johns tries to make it work, but sadly failed. It may be a case of this is one set of characters he just cannot work with or he was burnt out. Sometimes a plate can be too full.

Levitz lost it. His work is like all the rest. Dumps characters for new ones, treats others like crap for the sake of bad melodrama and these days goes PC and makes it hard to like at all because of it.

[Arion]

I seriously believe the opposite with the Threeboot with Waid. Abnett & Lanning were much like Giffen and the Bierbaums.. apocryphal.

Apocryphal is not really the right term if we're talking about the Legion.

[Juan Cena]

You can say that about a lot of writers, though. Byrne was accused of focusing too much on Lee And Kirby on FF.

Levitz keeps me interested, but that's about it. It seems that this Legion is as much of a shadow as the groups of the past 20+ years have been.

That's been one of the longest problems in the LoSH with creators, they only use what they like and toss the rest. That to me is not the least bit professional. It's also the problem with fans turned pro too. They may bring some great stuff in as fans, but they also bring in the crap that should be left at the office door or better yet, at home.

Johns tries to make it work, but sadly failed. It may be a case of this is one set of characters he just cannot work with or he was burnt out. Sometimes a plate can be too full.

Don't get me started on Johns. He tried too much to try to go the X-Men route with the humans vs. alien stuff. And he seemed more interested in bringing back Superboy and Bart Allen in Lo3W than he was using it as a Legion: Rebirth.

Johns only seemed to be interested in the Legion as a part of his stuff on Superman. As soon as he dropped that, he dumped the Legion as well.

Levitz lost it. His work is like all the rest. Dumps characters for new ones, treats others like crap for the sake of bad melodrama and these days goes PC and makes it hard to like at all because of it.

Bringing Levitz back was either a bad move due either to a) nostalgia, b) part of the deal with getting him out of his job as publisher (president, whatever) of DC. Or both.

[GLX]

[Juan Cena]

That looks sweet. It really did suck that the Legion never had a true much of a real smackdown fight with Mondru. He always hid behind aliases or used surrogates like the Khunds in Earthwar. Or the Legion was running away from him.

[Arion]

Either way, the Legion is still suffering.