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by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:11 pm

So this was some nice mindless fun. I had read a bit about the Scott/Cap confrontation, but after actually reading the issue, I support the Avengers even more. Cyclops doesn't even have the support of his own people. Magneto thinks he is going overboard and Emma tells him it is Hope's choice if she wants to become the Phoenix. Meanwhile, Scott wants to harness the power of the Phoenix for the gain of mutantkind. Hmmm.

I look forward to the fights next.

by **Victorian Squid** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:23 pm

There has to be another word besides "mindless" to describe this book.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:41 pm

The President wrote:So this was some nice mindless fun. I had read a bit about the Scott/Cap confrontation, but after actually reading the issue, I support the Avengers even more. Cyclops doesn't even have the support of his own people. Magneto thinks he is going overboard and Emma tells him it is Hope's choice if she wants to become the Phoenix. Meanwhile, Scott wants to harness the power of the Phoenix for the gain of mutantkind. Hmmm.

I look forward to the fights next.

I got an early copy as well, my review is in the newsstand. I think Cap came off a little harsh demanding Hope. Cyk, which I hate right now, was in the right.

Victorian Squid wrote:There has to be another word besides "mindless" to describe this book.

lol

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:44 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:There has to be another word besides "mindless" to describe this book.

"Mindless" isn't describing the book. It is describing the type of "fun" the book is. "Fun" describes the book.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:46 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
I got an early copy as well, my review is in the newsstand. I think Cap came off a little harsh demanding Hope. Cyk, which I hate right now, was in the right.

lol

Yeah I commented in your thread too.

I don't think Cap was too harsh. He said he wanted to take Hope into protective custody and then Cyke goes off on him for not helping the mutants in their time of need after telling Cap he wants to try and control the Phoenix. Maybe he'd also like a pet Galactus?

by **BlueStreak** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:17 pm

The President wrote:
Yeah I commented in your thread too.

I don't think Cap was too harsh. He said he wanted to take Hope into protective custody and then Cyke goes off on him for not helping the mutants in their time of need after telling Cap he wants to try and control the Phoenix. Maybe he'd also like a pet Galactus?

Nah, Franklin Richards already has one of those. Luckily, those bastions of responsible parenting, the Fantastic Four, have it handled.

Anyways, both sides of the story are rather weak. Cap should have a little more empathy for Cyclops' plight and Cyclops should be more willing to work with Cap and his group of super-powered scientists and magicians. With the Phoenix Force approaching and a possible conduit on-site, this seems like a prime opportunity to somehow harness the Phoenix energy or something.

Instead, Cyclops comes off as trigger-happy and paranoid and Cap and the Avengers come off as an Iron Man-esque stooges a la Civil War. One loses the moral high ground when they have a cloaked Helicarrier with a bunch of "heroes" ready to attack.

I'm looking forward to more action next issue and pushing the "conflict" into the background so I can see people trade punches and do ridiculous shit.

EDIT: Blacked out spoilers for those who haven't been following Hickman books.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:39 pm

One loses the moral high ground when they have a cloaked Helicarrier with a bunch of "heroes" ready to attack.

Fact.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:14 pm

Why wouldn't Cap bring backup? It's not like Cyclops attacked him because he felt threatened by the Helicarrier. It was smart thinking by Cap and didn't provoke Cyclops' attack.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:29 pm

The President wrote:Why wouldn't Cap bring backup? It's not like Cyclops attacked him because he felt threatened by the Helicarrier. It was smart thinking by Cap and didn't provoke Cyclops' attack.

It was implied that Cap was going to take Hope by force.

by **BlueStreak** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:32 pm

Well, for one thing, a giant metal floating vehicle filled with people and at least one mutant might attract the attention of Magneto, Emma Frost or one of the other psychics or the mutant-detecting machine that's sitting on Utopia.

Cap (and by Cap I mean the writers) wanted to have a pissing match and that's exactly what I got. Considering all the bullshit "respect" that Cyclops and Cap have been showing each other these last few months, you'd think that one of them would have the common sense to have more than a thirty second conversation before coming to blows.

Like I said, I'm not reading this for the plot. I'm glad they didn't drag things out, but when you spend less than an issue developing the conflict, it's going to be full of holes.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 pm

BlueStreak wrote:Well, for one thing, a giant metal floating vehicle filled with people and at least one mutant might attract the attention of Magneto, Emma Frost or one of the other psychics or the mutant-detecting machine that's sitting on Utopia.

But it didn't so it's a moot point.

Cap (and by Cap I mean the writers) wanted to have a pissing match and that's exactly what I got. Considering all the bullshit "respect" that Cyclops and Cap have been showing each other these last few months, you'd think that one of them would have the common sense to have more than a thirty second conversation before coming to blows.

Yes. And guess who attacked first?

Like I said, I'm not reading this for the plot. I'm glad they didn't drag things out, but when you spend less than an issue developing the conflict, it's going to be full of holes.

I don't think anything you mentioned is a plot hole.

by **ReturnoftheMack** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:43 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
It was implied that Cap was going to take Hope by force.

So?

He was attacked. Bringing backup was a smart move. :smt102

by **alaska1125** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:49 pm

Not having read this yet (outside of the previews), what kind of batshit plan is "let's try to harness the Phoenix"? How about "let's get Hope as far the hell off planet as we can in the hopes of not losing another entire populated world???". Sorry, but Cyke has become a deranged loon.

by **BlueStreak** » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:56 pm

alaska1125 wrote:Not having read this yet (outside of the previews), what kind of batshit plan is "let's try to harness the Phoenix"? How about "let's get Hope as far the hell off planet as we can in the hopes of not losing another entire populated world???". Sorry, but Cyke has become a deranged loon.

I agree with that. I guess the only argument against that would be that if the Phoenix ended up going to Earth anyways, there'd be no one on Earth to try to harness or control it.

But I sincerely doubt that Cyclops gives a crap about that.

by **doombug** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:30 am

Yeah, Scott's lost his damn mind.

You'd think Logan would speak up and go "Hey guys, Rachael's teaching at the school right now, she's the only person whose ever been able to properly harness that power. Want me to go get her?" :lol: