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by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:53 am

I think a lot of DC's major properties (other than Superman) have gotten a lot better as a result of the reboot. Wonder Woman, the Batman stuff that I'm reading, Justice League is flawed but still a billion times better than the pre-reboot garbage, The Flash.....shit, even Aquaman. Plus the addition of the horror stuff has been terrific.

It's the peripheral characters that were mostly shitty and remain mostly shitty now. But I think that has a lot more to do with DC just not having enough good writers to support so many books than it does with the DCU rebooting.

by **Chesscub** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:59 am

MoneyMelon wrote:I think a lot of DC's major properties (other than Superman) have gotten a lot better as a result of the reboot. Wonder Woman, the Batman stuff that I'm reading, Justice League is flawed but still a billion times better than the pre-reboot garbage, The Flash.....shit, even Aquaman. Plus the addition of the horror stuff has been terrific.

It's the peripheral characters that were mostly shitty and remain mostly shitty now. But I think that has a lot more to do with DC just not having enough good writers to support so many books than it does with the DCU rebooting.

Sorry, the Flash is a shit book. Manapul desperately needs a full time writer on that book. It's not working for me at all. I read issue 6 and was bored shitless on it.

by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:10 am

Chesscub wrote:
Sorry, the Flash is a shit book. Manapul desperately needs a full time writer on that book. It's not working for me at all. I read issue 6 and was bored shitless on it.

It's not for everybody, I guess

by **Chesscub** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:21 am

MoneyMelon wrote:It's not for everybody, I guess

For a book about someone being fast, it plods. It'll be the first time since Waid introduced Impulse that I'm not collecting Flash.

by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:22 am

Chesscub wrote:
For a book about someone being fast, it plods. It'll be the first time since Waid introduced Impulse that I'm not collecting Flash.

Wow you didn't like Waid's Flash either.

That's probably my all-time favorite run on the character.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:27 am

nietoperz wrote:
True. I'm certainly buying more DCU titles now than I was before.

Me too. For the longest time I've been anti-WW outside of the JLU cartoon. But man, he title kicks ass.

by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:29 am

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
Me too. For the longest time I've been anti-WW outside of the JLU cartoon. But man, he title kicks ass.

Agreed. This is the only run on the character I've ever actually enjoyed.

by **Chesscub** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:48 am

MoneyMelon wrote:Wow you didn't like Waid's Flash either.

That's probably my all-time favorite run on the character.

I didn't say that. I started collecting in the middle of Waid's run on the book. I never gave it a thought before then really

We had two strong runs back to back with Waid (interrupted by Millar/Morrison) and Johns. To have to settle for Manapul's dull writing when there's other far more capable writers out there is a travesty. The same thing goes for Daniels writing on Detective. I couldn't get through the first issue of that.

by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:13 am

Chesscub wrote:
I didn't say that. I started collecting in the middle of Waid's run on the book. I never gave it a thought before then really

We had two strong runs back to back with Waid (interrupted by Millar/Morrison) and Johns. To have to settle for Manapul's dull writing when there's other far more capable writers out there is a travesty. The same thing goes for Daniels writing on Detective. I couldn't get through the first issue of that.

Yeah, Daniels Detective is shitty. I read the first issue and decided two Batman books (Batman and Batman & Robin) is enough for me.

by **bkthomson** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:14 am

Chesscub wrote:
I didn't say that. I started collecting in the middle of Waid's run on the book. I never gave it a thought before then really

We had two strong runs back to back with Waid (interrupted by Millar/Morrison) and Johns. To have to settle for Manapul's dull writing when there's other far more capable writers out there is a travesty. The same thing goes for Daniels writing on Detective. I couldn't get through the first issue of that.

That I can understand. DC has better writers but I believe they are appeasing the writer artist like Daniels to keep the artist and just put up with the poor writing.

by **MrBlack** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:28 am

bkthomson wrote:
That I can understand. DC has better writers but I believe they are appeasing the writer artist like Daniels to keep the artist and just put up with the poor writing.

DC is operating on the assumption that many, if not most, comic readers are more interested in art than story. That's not an entirely ridiculous assumption given most of the folks I've run into actually buying comics at comic shops. It makes sense to appease some of their more popular artists if the book is going to sell on the strength of their art regardless of story.

Detective Comics is certainly selling well, if not as well as Batman (hasn't that historically been the case?).

by **MoneyMelon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:30 am

I don't think Daniels is that great of an artist.

by **Chesscub** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:40 am

MoneyMelon wrote:I don't think Daniels is that great of an artist.

When he's on, he's on. When he's off, ew.

by **avengingtitan** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:42 am

MoneyMelon wrote:Let's be honest.....Teen Titans hasn't been a good book in years.

But it was heads and tails above most of the dcu now.

The only things that got better were:
Batman, Green Lantern Corps, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Batwoman. Everything else has been either awful or just got a little worse.

by **Chesscub** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:44 am

avengingtitan wrote:But it was heads and tails above most of the dcu now.

The only things that got better were:
Batman, Green Lantern Corps, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Batwoman. Everything else has been either awful or just got a little worse.

Voodoo has been fantastic. Action makes me feel tingly. Batman and Robin has been fun. Resurrection Man hearkens back to all of the things the original series was good at.