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by **Doc Jon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:24 pm

Sakie wrote:
This doesn't prove that the argument holds merit it just shows that people are quick to jump to conclusions. Maybe people were like me and saw how predictable the movie was just by watching the trailers. Maybe people didn't like the fact that it was pushing 3D so heavily. Maybe people don't like Sam Worthington. I don't know the exact reasons but there were people who didn't want to see this movie. There were even people who didn't want this movie to succeed. But just because people made up their minds about something in advance doesn't automatically mean that their was some bandwagon that formed for people to hate it because it was the "cool" thing to do. I am sure that a majority of those people had their own reasons for why they reacted the way that they did.

True, people do love to hate things but that doesn't mean that there is some mass movement of people whose only reason to hate is because somebody else hates it too. This is my problem with this argument. I am not trying to say who is right or who is wrong. I am just saying that it isn't right to declare that somebody has jumped on a bandwagon simply because their opinion is different from yours and they happen to have people who share a similar opinion as theirs.

Agreed.

Meh, I always feel that Worthington's performances are wooden and underwhelming. Same can be said for Michelle Rodriguez. Sigourney Weaver did a good job with the material that she was given but that's not saying much. I couldn't get into Zoe Saldana's performance because I could never get past how utterly ridiculous her character and the rest of the Na'vi looked.

I agree that the CGI used for the environment and the technology in the film looked incredible, however, when it came to any of the animals or the Na'vi, the CGI wasn't up to par. They just looked bad. The aliens from the Mass Effect series all looked better and more believable than the aliens from Avatar. Of course, that is just my opinion.

There's a difference between analysis and hoping.

For example, when I saw the previews for John Carter, I thought they were terrible. It looked like a generic sci fi tale that offered nothing. It didn't mean that I wanted the movie to do badly. In fact, I really liked the movie and I'm sorry that the marketing campaign botched it so badly.

Again, there were people hoping for this movie to fail. They wanted to see it fail just so they could say they predicted it or some bullshit. I think its success pissed people off even more, and it makes me smile.

by **TROY** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:25 pm

Sakie wrote:
Troy, I like you man but I absolutely hate this argument so this is not a personal attack at you, this is just my opinion about the "it's cool to hate it" argument. I just don't see why my opinion or anybody else's opinion has to be on some bandwagon. If I hate something and 3 out of 5 people agree with me, that doesn't mean that we hate it because it's "cool" to hate it nor does it mean that the 2 people who love it only love it because it's "cool." This defense tactic seems to have been created by people who, for whatever reason, can't seem to cope with the idea that some people don't agree with them.

To put it another way, I don't care if one person or a million people like or dislike something. That in no way shape or form has anything to do with my personal feelings toward that same thing. I suspect that the same could/should be true about pretty much everybody else here or else I think that our hobbies and the things that we discuss would be tremendously different.

Thats why I included the last line in my post, because I do feel that all personal opinions should be respected by everyone. That being said working in a comic shop for the better part of 4 years, I saw the "mob mentality" more often than not. Where if one group of readers started shitting all over a book the other "followers" would do the same, even if they had the books being shit on in the pull file. They would say they hated it just to fit in with the cool kids so to speak. I am not saying that everyone that hates something is doing because all people don't like all the same things, the world would be a very boring place. I don't care if people don't like what I like hell if I did I would be a very miserable person as most of the movies I really most people hate, most of the wrestlers I really like most people hate, hell most people hate wrestling in general and I love it. Most of the comic characters I love most people hate, and I am cool with that.

by **Grayson** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:30 pm

TS Cenation wrote:Thats why I included the last line in my post, because I do feel that all personal opinions should be respected by everyone. That being said working in a comic shop for the better part of 4 years, I saw the "mob mentality" more often than not. Where if one group of readers started shitting all over a book the other "followers" would do the same, even if they had the books being shit on in the pull file. They would say they hated it just to fit in with the cool kids so to speak. I am not saying that everyone that hates something is doing because all people don't like all the same things, the world would be a very boring place. I don't care if people don't like what I like hell if I did I would be a very miserable person as most of the movies I really most people hate, most of the wrestlers I really like most people hate, hell most people hate wrestling in general and I love it. Most of the comic characters I love most people hate, and I am cool with that.

Ah, I just want to make sure you knew that I wasn't attacking you just pointing out how much I dislike the bandwagon argument. It just seems to me that people are too quick to dismiss somebody else's opinion of something because they think they are jumping on the cool kid's bandwagon. I'm definitely not trying to say that it never happens, that would be a ridiculous statement, I'm just saying that I don't think it happens as often as some people on the Internet would like you to believe.

Also, you don't have to tell me about wrestling lol. I remember when the Hooters in my hometown used to show WWF (since it was still called that at the time) PPVs. Some buddies and I used to go every month and drink a couple of pitchers while eating dinner and watching the show. Everyone knew us and we always had a blast but one time, I was cheering for Kurt Angle and joking around with the guys at the table next to us that you had to love him "because he won the Olympics with a broken freakin' neck." Next thing I know, I am getting called a highly inappropriate name and hit in the head with somebody's flip flop! The waitress cut me off...which was ridiculous because I wasn't the one yelling or hitting people with footwear.

by **habitual** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:30 pm

Aliens was his best work imo, a little more than a popcorn flick.

This was enjoyable in 3D at the theater, but, I wouldn't spend money on it until I had a TV that could replicate those effects.

Hab

by **Doc Jon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:46 pm

habitual wrote:Aliens was his best work imo, a little more than a popcorn flick.

This was enjoyable in 3D at the theater, but, I wouldn't spend money on it until I had a TV that could replicate those effects.

Hab

Aliens, Abyss and Terminator were probably his best works depending on your tastes.

by **habitual** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:47 pm

Doc Jon wrote:
Aliens, Abyss and Terminator were probably his best works depending on your tastes.

I really think Aliens is his best work as it's one of the first "cross-genre" films.

Everyone thinks of Cameron as a "sci-fi" Director, but, I really think he's more gifted at horror.

Hab

by **Doc Jon** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:49 pm

habitual wrote:
I really think Aliens is his best work as it's one of the first "cross-genre" films.

Everyone thinks of Cameron as a "sci-fi" Director, but, I really think he's more gifted at horror.

Hab

Well, I love the movie, and it is possibly one of the most quotable in Hollywood history. Add to that the number of times it's been aped and you definitely have a strong argument.

by **US Agent** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:59 pm

Still haven't seen it. Still have zero interest in it.

by **habitual** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:01 pm

US Agent wrote:Still haven't seen it. Still have zero interest in it.

It's by far and away the best 3D film that's been in theaters.

You definitely missed something, at the same time that's the only way I'd recommend it to someone.

And Jude, the Clash of the Titans remake was a far, far worse movie than this.

Hab

by **US Agent** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:06 pm

habitual wrote:
It's by far and away the best 3D film that's been in theaters.

You definitely missed something, at the same time that's the only way I'd recommend it to someone.

Hab

It may very well have been the best 3D movie, but for me I missed a headache and dry eyes. No thanks.

I prefer IMAX, but I just can't do 3D, and since that was the only big draw for this movie, I have no real desire to watch it on DVD or Blu-Ray.

by **Rockman** » Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:14 pm

It was boring, preachy and predictable.

by **Doc Jon** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:46 am

habitual wrote:
It's by far and away the best 3D film that's been in theaters.

You definitely missed something, at the same time that's the only way I'd recommend it to someone.

And Jude, the Clash of the Titans remake was a far, far worse movie than this.

Hab

Clash was fucking terrible. I can't believe it got a sequel. And from the reviews I've read, Wrath is just as bad.