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by **Starlord** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:07 pm

I absolutely loved the first issue. Steve is SO wrong and Scott is SO wrong. Yet this next step in the evolution of Scott Summers has me fascinated. I really want to see the X-Men come out on top in this one. Though my guess is it will end up being a stalemate when they both get their asses kicked by Phoenix right before she resurrects Jean Grey. Oh yea... it's coming. (I think it's part of Scott's plan - to get Jean back)

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:10 pm

Cyclops is right. Cap was being a total prick. Wolverine is also a douche. And for good measure, Iron Man has been an authoritarian villain since Civil War at least. And that's what this event comes down to for me, the same as with Civil War... it's fascists thinking they know what's best for everyone and trying to deprive others of free will, vs. people who won't stand for it. Sad that Cap has switched sides for this one, as I liked him better standing against such things.

by **alaska1125** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:04 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Cyclops is right. Cap was being a total prick. Wolverine is also a douche. And for good measure, Iron Man has been an authoritarian villain since Civil War at least. And that's what this event comes down to for me, the same as with Civil War... it's fascists thinking they know what's best for everyone and trying to deprive others of free will, vs. people who won't stand for it. Sad that Cap has switched sides for this one, as I liked him better standing against such things.

Possible global annihilation? Check. Unstable, uncontrolable cosmic force? Roger that. Cyclops is a total nut job. Time to bring in the grown ups.

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:29 am

alaska1125 wrote:
Possible global annihilation? Check. Unstable, uncontrolable cosmic force? Roger that. Cyclops is a total nut job. Time to bring in the grown ups.

Same argument for superhuman registration and SOPA.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:37 am

Can someone make me a "Cyclops is right" avatar?

by **alaska1125** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:40 am

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Same argument for superhuman registration and SOPA.

SOPA? Is that the delicious Mexican fried tortilla and cinnimon Dessert?

Unstable, uncontrolable cosmic forces had about zero to do with Civil War.

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:11 am

alaska1125 wrote:
SOPA? Is that the delicious Mexican fried tortilla and cinnimon Dessert?

Unstable, uncontrolable cosmic forces had about zero to do with Civil War.

Unstable, uncontrollable human weapons did. Either way, it's a case of "we know better what's best for you."

by **trutrutru** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:08 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:Posted this in the preview thread when I got this book a week early, but I might as well post it here too since that thread got buried:

The Phoenix Force has been burning through worlds as we saw in Point One and the beginning of this issue. It's committing even more genocide than Jean Grey, Thanos and Hal Jordan have combined. And Cyclops instead wants to control it to restore the mutant race?

I know the writers wanted to make Cap and Cyke adversarial to get to the fight ASAP, but Cyclops's rationale was stupid. "It's a force of rebirth, just like the D'Bari system in the Dark Phoenix Saga found out when Jean made their sun go nova."

At this rate I'm expecting him to be wearing a Magneto helmet by the end.

lets not forget that for starters. Cyclops in unaware of the lives being lost at the hands of the phoenix right now.

secondly...cyclops is basing his assumptions on past interactions with the x-men and phoenix. The many times the phoenix has come back to earth and the x-men, and not once has it destroyed the earth even though being very well capable of doing so. Cyclops sees that as a sign. He even brings up the question that why does the phoenix always come back to them. However wrong it seems from our perspective looking in, if one were in his shoes they may come to the same conclusions he has.

by **trutrutru** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:41 pm

i cant wait to see cyclops take out captain america. Im hoping that this leads to cyclops having complete control of his powers. Seeing as how he's put a self imposed mental block keeping him from having complete control over them. Im hoping that he finally lets loose and unleashes the full power of his optic blast.

by **Ntikrst** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:55 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:Cyclops is right. Cap was being a total prick. Wolverine is also a douche. And for good measure, Iron Man has been an authoritarian villain since Civil War at least. And that's what this event comes down to for me, the same as with Civil War... it's fascists thinking they know what's best for everyone and trying to deprive others of free will, vs. people who won't stand for it. Sad that Cap has switched sides for this one, as I liked him better standing against such things.

trutrutru wrote:i cant wait to see cyclops take out captain america. Im hoping that this leads to cyclops having complete control of his powers. Seeing as how he's put a self imposed mental block keeping him from having complete control over them. Im hoping that he finally lets loose and unleashes the full power of his optic blast.

I couldn't agree more, Cyclops is my hero. Fuck authoritarianism, Cap and his crew have 0 experience dealing with Phoenix and frankly they lack the power. What could their "plan" possibly be? Just because people want to be in charge doesn't mean they are qualified.

Leave the mutant problems to the experts.

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:09 pm

What I find most amusing about this issue is how Nova knocks the top of the Chrysler Building with dozens of people falling out of it (even though the art deco spire is unoccupied) and then all those people somehow survive a 70 story fall before Spidey's web catches them safely despite tons of debris falling with them.

I know it's a comic book but this was just silly.

As for my take on the sides... Cap is wrong and Cyclops is just insane. Neither character acts very much like how these characters should act.

by **Herald** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:11 pm

Timbales wrote:Nobody is right - not Cyclops, Wolverine or Cap.

From what I know of the situation, THIS.

It's clear that all three of them have their own single-minded motivation, and neither side is interested in listening to the other. That said, Cap is MORE wrong. As others have mentioned, the X-Men have the experience dealing with the Phoenix Force, and are thus more qualified to do so. Stand down, soldier!!