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by **Punchy** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:04 am

The Bass wrote:
I think its blindingly obvious he's near the end of his Iron Man run, to be replaced by Jon Hickman

Ugh, a Hickman Iron Man would be awful, I really hope all these rumours of him taking over Avengers are just that, rumours.

by **The Bass** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:33 am

Well, some of us like Hickman, and he has a good relationship with Tom Breevoort.

I belive, through hints we've seen, the breakdown will be as follows

Avengers: Jon Hickman
New Avengers: Mark Waid - going against the notion that a more traditional writer like Waid would be on the more traditional book, but Waid can tie it in with Daredevil

by **bkthomson** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:39 am

I like the creative team and be interested in seeing how it goes so I'll buy the series. that said this title will have the lasting power of Iron Fist so I do not expect it to last longer than two years.

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:41 am

This is gonna flop

by **bkthomson** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:44 am

BubbaKanoosh wrote:This is gonna flop

I do not know if flop is the right word, as if there is not a large enough audience to support the title and give the sale numbers it would need to go past a year.

I'd call a flop something along the lines of DC Hawk & Dove where everything was just bad from story to art to execution.

by **MistaT** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:46 am

I think the success of this will lie squarely on the shoulders of Fraction being able to introduce a decent supervillain for Clint. They have always said that a hero is only as good as his villain, and quite frankly Crossfire blows.

by **bkthomson** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:50 am

MistaT wrote:I think the success of this will lie squarely on the shoulders of Fraction being able to introduce a decent supervillain for Clint. They have always said that a hero is only as good as his villain, and quite frankly Crossfire blows.

True about Crossfire who is a pale imitation of Bullseye. Now I can see them moving Bullseye or even Lady Bullseye over to Hawkeye which could make for an interesting read.

by **MistaT** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:00 am

bkthomson wrote:
True about Crossfire who is a pale imitation of Bullseye. Now I can see them moving Bullseye or even Lady Bullseye over to Hawkeye which could make for an interesting read.

I'd rather see someone new. Mr & Mrs Bullseye will always be DD villains.

by **MistaT** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:09 am

Should they go with an existing villain and stick with the whole marksman vs marksman angle I think a new version of the either the Deadly Throws or Circus of Crime with his brother Trickshot would be cool.

by **mrorangesoda** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:33 am

The Bass wrote:Well, some of us like Hickman, and he has a good relationship with Tom Breevoort.

I belive, through hints we've seen, the breakdown will be as follows

Avengers: Jon Hickman
New Avengers: Mark Waid - going against the notion that a more traditional writer like Waid would be on the more traditional book, but Waid can tie it in with Daredevil

I don't think Waid has the time/patience for that. He's got probably the biggest personal project of any creator out there starting up and has said the lack of editorial strings on DD was a draw. Writing New Avengers, at least 1 out of every 3 arcs is going to tie into the big event of the year- I don't see it.

by **nietoperz** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:36 am

mrorangesoda wrote:
I don't think Waid has the time/patience for that. He's got probably the biggest personal project of any creator out there starting up and has said the lack of editorial strings on DD was a draw. Writing New Avengers, at least 1 out of every 3 arcs is going to tie into the big event of the year- I don't see it.

Yeah, I'd love to see Waid on an Avengers book, but between Daredevil and his new Thrillbent venture, I reckon his dance card is pretty full.

by **nietoperz** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:37 am

Fraction has spoken to CBR about the book: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=38130

I'm even more interested now...

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:41 am

bkthomson wrote:
I do not know if flop is the right word, as if there is not a large enough audience to support the title and give the sale numbers it would need to go past a year.

I'd call a flop something along the lines of DC Hawk & Dove where everything was just bad from story to art to execution.

This will be another Hawkeye and Mockingbird

by **BubbaKanoosh** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:44 am

nietoperz wrote:Fraction has spoken to CBR about the book: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=38130

I'm even more interested now...

This is what Green Arrow should be.

by **nietoperz** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:48 am

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
This is what Green Arrow should be.

Exactly. In fact it's kind of what I expected Ann Nocenti to do when she took over that book (but hasn't, apparently).

See, this is why this book has a chance: great creative team, with a clear vision for the character paired with arguably the best editor Marvel's got. I honestly think this is going to be a great, fun book.