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[Herald]

Do I think it's completely uncalled for for said panel to treat any fan like shit? Absolutely.

But do I think that you over react to literally every little thing and try and take it out of context related to anyone at dc? absolutely.

I didn't overreact or "take anything out of context".

As YOU YOURSELF said, they keep stonewalling fans in the nastiest way possible when it comes to characters like Wally. Hence your "wtf" comment and my "They Don't really Care About Us!" comment. BOTH reactions are perfectly reasonable and in-context.

Like I said, you're really just uncomfortable with agreeing with me.
TOO BAD.
Expect to do so more as Dan and the Gang keep up this uncalled-for behavior towards fans of characters they don't champion.

[Zechs]

Look I'm not much of a fan of it as you are doombug. But I saw what I saw. Why Marvel is now getting the better end of the stick today. Even if they made some slight DC bashing in the Spidey panel.

[bkthomson]

Yeah if how they treated a fan like that about Wally, just jerks.

[holtom2000]

It's crap like this that makes me like DC less than even $#!tty comics they're putting out right now. Treating fans like garbage is the kind of stuff WCW did in its last few years eventually led to the company being sold to WWE.

(And WCW was a Time-Warner company, too. Coincidence?)

Oh SNAP!

[Zechs]

Dan Didio > Bob Harras

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/14/ ... en-berger/

“This is not for you,” Dan said, indicating me and by extension Bleeding Cool, “this is for her.” He explained that fans had grown up with Wally West, seen him get married and have children and with the de-aging of Barry Allen, it would cheat those fans who grew to love Wally to de-age him as well. “But don’t go quoting me on that,” he said with a laugh.

[Herald]

Dan Didio > Bob Harras

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/14/ ... en-berger/

And I liked Victorian Squid's response:

Isn't the younger Kid Flash on Young Justice Wally West? The WW fans I know love that iteration of the character and constantly say he could be introduced into the new DCU thusly as a de-aged character.

I think he played you. He's finally been asked the question enough times that he's come up with a tricky answer that on the surface seems to have those fans' interests in mind, but is just designed to get off the hook and away from them.

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Never automatically trust the word of Dan "Used Car Salesman" DiDio...

[Zechs]

And I liked Victorian Squid's response:

Isn't the younger Kid Flash on Young Justice Wally West? The WW fans I know love that iteration of the character and constantly say he could be introduced into the new DCU thusly as a de-aged character.

I think he played you. He's finally been asked the question enough times that he's come up with a tricky answer that on the surface seems to have those fans' interests in mind, but is just designed to get off the hook and away from them.

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Never automatically trust the word of Dan "Used Car Salesman" DiDio...

So what would you have the tricky answer or Bob Harras mocking you in from of people?

[Herald]

So what would you have the tricky answer or Bob Harras mocking you in from of people?

At least Bob is being honest about his opinion.

I'd mock Harass (yes, "misspelled" on purpose!) right back, starting with "Aren't you one of the guys who bankrupted Marvel?? Only someone as dumb as YOU are would let you come bankrupt another company!!"

[Juan Cena]

And I liked Victorian Squid's response:

Isn't the younger Kid Flash on Young Justice Wally West? The WW fans I know love that iteration of the character and constantly say he could be introduced into the new DCU thusly as a de-aged character.

I think he played you. He's finally been asked the question enough times that he's come up with a tricky answer that on the surface seems to have those fans' interests in mind, but is just designed to get off the hook and away from them.

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Never automatically trust the word of Dan "Used Car Salesman" DiDio...

I don't see the problem where Wally can't be around and married with children in the DCnU now. He became Kid Flash 5yrs ago while he was maybe 17-18, he grew up got married between then and the present, and recently had kids. He'd still be around Dick Grayson's age.

[Grayson]

“This is not for you,” Dan said, indicating me and by extension Bleeding Cool, “this is for her.” He explained that fans had grown up with Wally West, seen him get married and have children and with the de-aging of Barry Allen, it would cheat those fans who grew to love Wally to de-age him as well. “But don’t go quoting me on that,” he said with a laugh.

What bugs me about this statement is the fact that Didio is saying that de-aging a character, erasing a marriage, and the children produced from that marriage is cheating the fans. Seems a little ridiculous when you look at the state of DCnU and see that every character has been de-aged, most marriages have been erased, and a lot of the younger generation of characters have been forgotten.

Dick Grayson is a good example of the hypocrisy of that statement. Dick Grayson is one of the best examples of a character who had been allowed to grown-up. Over the course of DC's history Grayson was allowed to grow out of his role as Robin, become his own man as Nightwing, and then take on the mantle of his mentor to become Batman. Despite the fact that fans are adamant about the return of Wally West in some fashion, Didio claims it would cheat them to de-age him and undo his growth as a character? What about Dick Grayson? Granted, his history is still intact for the most part but what about those of us who were fans of him becoming Batman? Where we not cheated? What about the fans of his relationship with Barbara or Starfire? Between Batgirl and Nightwing, it seems that his relationship with Babs never amounted to much more than a fling while his relationship with Starfire has been turned into a horrendous joke. Where fans of those relationships not cheated? What about the fans of Barry and Iris or Clark and Lois? Where those fans not cheated either?

I'm sorry, as good of an answer as that appears to be, it's really not an answer. You can't undo the continuity of majority of your characters and then say it would be unfair to change the continuity of another.

[Herald]

What bugs me about this statement is the fact that Didio is saying that de-aging a character, erasing a marriage, and the children produced from that marriage is cheating the fans. Seems a little ridiculous when you look at the state of DCnU and see that every character has been de-aged, most marriages have been erased, and a lot of the younger generation of characters have been forgotten.

Dick Grayson is a good example of the hypocrisy of that statement. Dick Grayson is one of the best examples of a character who had been allowed to grown-up. Over the course of DC's history Grayson was allowed to grow out of his role as Robin, become his own man as Nightwing, and then take on the mantle of his mentor to become Batman. Despite the fact that fans are adamant about the return of Wally West in some fashion, Didio claims it would cheat them to de-age him and undo his growth as a character? What about Dick Grayson? Granted, his history is still intact for the most part but what about those of us who were fans of him becoming Batman? Where we not cheated? What about the fans of his relationship with Barbara or Starfire? Between Batgirl and Nightwing, it seems that his relationship with Babs never amounted to much more than a fling while his relationship with Starfire has been turned into a horrendous joke. Where fans of those relationships not cheated? What about the fans of Barry and Iris or Clark and Lois? Where those fans not cheated either?

I'm sorry, as good of an answer as that appears to be, it's really not an answer. You can't undo the continuity of majority of your characters and then say it would be unfair to change the continuity of another.

Which is why I don't buy what is clearly another display of Dan's usual blatant ca-ca.

"We have room for FOUR Robins in our FIVE-year timeline, their histories largely intact... but NO room for even ONE de-aged Wally!"

You'd have to be a pathetically easy mark to swallow this.

[Juan Cena]

What bugs me about this statement is the fact that Didio is saying that de-aging a character, erasing a marriage, and the children produced from that marriage is cheating the fans. Seems a little ridiculous when you look at the state of DCnU and see that every character has been de-aged, most marriages have been erased, and a lot of the younger generation of characters have been forgotten.

Dick Grayson is a good example of the hypocrisy of that statement. Dick Grayson is one of the best examples of a character who had been allowed to grown-up. Over the course of DC's history Grayson was allowed to grow out of his role as Robin, become his own man as Nightwing, and then take on the mantle of his mentor to become Batman. Despite the fact that fans are adamant about the return of Wally West in some fashion, Didio claims it would cheat them to de-age him and undo his growth as a character? What about Dick Grayson? Granted, his history is still intact for the most part but what about those of us who were fans of him becoming Batman? Where we not cheated? What about the fans of his relationship with Barbara or Starfire? Between Batgirl and Nightwing, it seems that his relationship with Babs never amounted to much more than a fling while his relationship with Starfire has been turned into a horrendous joke. Where fans of those relationships not cheated? What about the fans of Barry and Iris or Clark and Lois? Where those fans not cheated either?

I'm sorry, as good of an answer as that appears to be, it's really not an answer. You can't undo the continuity of majority of your characters and then say it would be unfair to change the continuity of another.

You actually thought that Dick was going to remain as Batman after Morrison got through with his sweeping Batman mega-epic?

[Juan Cena]

Which is why I don't buy what is clearly another display of Dan's usual blatant ca-ca.

"We have room for FOUR Robins in our FIVE-year timeline, their histories largely intact... but NO room for even ONE de-aged Wally!"

You'd have to be a pathetically easy mark to swallow this.

The difference is that Morrison was writing Batman, and not Flash.

[Grayson]

You actually thought that Dick was going to remain as Batman after Morrison got through with his sweeping Batman mega-epic?

No but my point is that it is completely ridiculous to try and justify erasing Wally West from continuity because you didn't want to change the character's history believing that it would be unfair to his fans when you literally just did that to ALL of your other characters. Why is it unfair to alter Wally West but fair to alter everyone else? I used Dick Grayson as an example because Didio said it was because West was allowed to grown up. Well, so was Dick Grayson but he was put back in the Nightwing costume while his relationships with Barbara Gordon and Starfire were dramatically altered. Why was that considered fair but doing the same thing to Wally West wouldn't be?

[Grayson]

Furthermore, if DC was really concerned about cheating the fans of Wally West, why did they bring Barry Allen back in the first place? Or, if we really want to talk about cheating the fans, why did they allow Lobdell to do what he did to Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws?