Dragavon wrote:You really don't get it. Kingsley at his best will be called Kingpin 2.0 or Norman Osborn 2.0. Phil is different in that he's actually interesting as opposed to being a copy of another character.
Norman 2.0? Hardly, Spider Writers ironically took those characteristics of the Hobgoblin and slapped them onto Norman. But of course they're also the Lex Luthor type things as well they did with him too. It wasn't until Ellis and Bendis they actually did something with him.
Also.. that "good" showing of Phil was him owning the guards. The Human Fly and Venom owned his goblin behind. Even though Phil has two good odds in his favor (sonics and fire), he still got hammered by Flash. Geez.. Dragavon and they say I have horrible taste in characters. Phil is awful. Yeah this was his "strongest" outing but I use that term ever so loosely. He still got owned badly (okay not as badly as someone else in that issue).
rdrsfn82 wrote:Kingsley is a character that never should have been used again after showing him on the beach. He was unique and interesting solely because he won, he got away with the money and retired. There never should have been another story with him, unless it was about how awesome his life on the beach was and that he was still retired and had no desire to come back.
Bringing him back for any reason beyond that will just dilute the character and make him just another boring villain that is no different from the others.
I like him as the Kaizer Sooze the one villain who can get away with it and he did. But Dark Reign did technically open that door to Kingsley's return two fold:
1.) Norman was now in control of a power where he could do things to Kingsley even he couldn't imagine in wiping out his accounts which do make sense. If Norman can't kill him he knows hitting Kingsley badly would be via all that money he made.
2.) Kingsley has to return with Norman ousted. Who is going to fill that void now of defacto Goblin? Norman needs a long rest. There has to be someone that brings
the moment you see them. They can't have that with Harry so who's left? They can't just create a new goblin because everytime they've tried they failed in Gray and Menace.
Kingsley has to be the only answer. And even then his reputation precedes him. Let newer readers realize just how nasty of a threat he was.