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by **chap22** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:05 pm

fieldy snuts wrote:Anyone notice the Scarlet Witch's journal saying "this is how the world ends"? Looks like the main premise of Hickman's SHIELD series will pay off in this as well.

that feels like a bit of a stretch there...it ain't like Hickman coined that phrase. it's been used countless other places, most notably with the second phrase "not with a bang, but with a whimper". since her journal also included a drawing of the Phoenix Force, i could clearly se her saying that that entity's wrath is how the world ends.

but who knows? you may be right.

by **fieldy snuts** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:19 pm

The preview to one of the next issues of New Avengers showed Leonardo Da Vinci at K'un L'un, that go me thinking and then this issue solidified the theory to me.

Plus Hickman is writing a part of the main series and he does love tying all his work together.

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:09 am

chap22 wrote:
that feels like a bit of a stretch there...it ain't like Hickman coined that phrase. it's been used countless other places, most notably with the second phrase "not with a bang, but with a whimper".

or from Avengers history (#61 1968)...

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:09 am

The President wrote:Wouldn't there at least be some Illuminati backstory with Stark?

The sooner that get's completely ignores/forgotten the better.

Website · by **prozacman** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:19 am

The President wrote:
I was just coming here to post this.

Wouldn't there at least be some Illuminati backstory with Stark?

Given that this is Bendis it should come up soon. It could be that Professor X thinks Bishop is right and asks Logan whack Hope to prevents the future that Bishop is from. He's not just taking Bishop's word for it. Madrox and Layla were there too and have the tattoos to prove it.

by **Muppetesque** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:27 am

Zechs wrote:What makes you think that's honestly going to work against the Phoenix force a second time Logan?

He's done it twice already. Once against Rachel as Phoenix and once on Jean Grey. Third time's the charm :groucho:

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:27 am

Apache Chef wrote:Some of the captions in this issue are awesome. Reminds me of old school Claremont.

the captions almost ruined it for me

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:33 am

The "now that we have out own messiah" line was so cringe inducing. I can't believe that there are people who still think Cyclops is meant to be the 'good' side here. This issue cemented the sides, IMO.

The Avengers are in a moral grey zone, but they're doing what they think needs to be done. Cyclops is just obsessed with Hope being a messiah and fuck the consequences.

If the Avengers are wrong, there's only one person at stake. If Cyclops is wrong, it's the world.

by **IvCNuB4** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:10 am

Amoebas wrote:or from Avengers history (#61 1968)...

I loved those Avengers issues that were drawn by either of the Buscema brothers. Those were fun times ! We still have many of them packed away in a box.

by **Apache Chef** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:50 am

Holland Oats wrote:The "now that we have out own messiah" line was so cringe inducing.

Yeah, that was really bad, and it took me out of the story for a minute.

by **Log-Man** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:15 am

fieldy snuts wrote:Anyone notice the Scarlet Witch's journal saying "this is how the world ends"? Looks like the main premise of Hickman's SHIELD series will pay off in this as well.

Hmm, having the Phoenix destroy everything would be the perfect premise for a universe reboot.

Just sayin'.

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:18 am

Apache Chef wrote:
Yeah, that was really bad, and it took me out of the story for a minute.

it was a bad line regardless, but it just made me want to go against Cyke even more.

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:24 am

Log-Man wrote:
Hmm, having the Phoenix destroy everything would be the perfect premise for a universe reboot.

Just sayin'.

yeah, things are definitely in place for it.

But I still don't think they'll go that route. I think it's a red herring, because at this point most people seem to think Marvel will follow suit with DC... So the surprise would be to do something different.

by **Punchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:26 am

If Marvel do a Universal reboot I will eat my hat, they'll never do it, ever.

by **Chris** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:40 am

There's nothing to fix. Marvel's problems aren't continuity-based like DC's was. They've always been good about just fixing things on the go, like changing Iron Man's origin to the Gulf War instead of Vietnam or whatever.

A soft relaunch or something.. something like BND, may be more realistic. I could see a re-focusing of the line, with a new status quo for the entire MU coming out of this event.. but that doesn't necessarily mean a reboot.