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by **covalesky** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Sitebreaker wrote:
i think they mean who became heroes and stayed heroes, Sandman is back to being a villain...

and Cat-Scratch - Venom currently is an Avenger...

I see.

I'm with CS, as in ignorant about Venom.

by **Zechs** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Sitebreaker wrote:
yes cause the Phoenix Force is such a good judge of character, what with the commiting numerous acts of genocide across the universe.

That planet that was owned by the Shi'ar had it coming. All they said was spoilers and "I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!!" They had it coming.

by **sdsichero** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:17 pm

spidertour02 wrote:
Um ... the current Venom is Flash Thompson, who has never been a supervillain.

The symbioie has :-D

by **sdsichero** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:18 pm

Though he may not have completely turned good, I'm sad we don't see Constrictor around now.

by **HNutz** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:43 pm

I want to see a list of heroes who became villains.

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:25 pm

Sitebreaker wrote:
i think they mean who became heroes and stayed heroes, Sandman is back to being a villain...

But only because the Wizard used his ID Machine on him. Once that wears off he should be back to his new/old personality I would think.

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:25 pm

The absence of Wanda & Pietro delights me. They were never villains - they were just used by a villain.

Also - Hawkeye was never a villain. Fighting Iron Man to get laid doesn't make one a bad guy (just desperate).

by **HNutz** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:34 pm

Amoebas wrote:The absence of Wanda & Pietro delights me. They were never villains - they were just used by a villain.

Also - Hawkeye was never a villain. Fighting Iron Man to get laid doesn't make one a bad guy (just desperate).

He wanted to bang Black Widow back when it really meant something. Can you really blame him?

by **MistaT** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:49 pm

sdsichero wrote:Though he may not have completely turned good, I'm sad we don't see Constrictor around now.

...and Diamondback too, I really liked them together.

by **Miracloman** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:04 pm

This list lost any chance of credibility the moment it left out Scarlet Which and Quicksilver.
And if I recall correctly Vision and Wonder Man also debuted as Avengers adversaries.

by **Amoebas** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:20 pm

Miracloman wrote:This list lost any chance of credibility the moment it left out Scarlet Which and Quicksilver.
And if I recall correctly Vision and Wonder Man also debuted as Avengers adversaries.

None of those mentioned ever meant to be villains. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, between a rock and a hard place or had bad programming.

by **sdsichero** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:28 pm

MistaT wrote:
...and Diamondback too, I really liked them together.

Yeah

by **Miracloman** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:36 pm

Amoebas wrote:None of those mentioned ever meant to be villains. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, between a rock and a hard place or had bad programming.

Well reluctant villains but (originally)villains never the less.

by **sdsichero** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Amoebas wrote:None of those mentioned ever meant to be villains. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, between a rock and a hard place or had bad programming.

Wonder Man, once one of my favorite Avengers, seems pretty villain-y nowadays. :-(

by **e_galston** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:53 pm

Amoebas wrote:None of those mentioned ever meant to be villains. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, between a rock and a hard place or had bad programming.

same thing could be said about Rogue though.. she was used by Mystique pretty much the exact same way Magneto used Pietro and Wanda...