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[Ntikrst]

Who is talking about "that old bitch?" Her and everybody else at the department of family services may very well be idiots but they aren't the problem here. The problem is Billy Batson and his behavior so far. He's a douche bag because he walks into a brand new home and yells at a little girl who had the audacity to try and make him feel welcome. Nobody is saying that he has to roll over or submit to anything but it wouldn't hurt him to show a little decency towards another human being.

Fuck your liberal ideologies in the ass with no lube. You are saying that Billy needs to roll over for every little girl and smily face that wants to enforce their will on him. For some people, resistance isn't futile.

Liberal ideologies?! Jesus, they just want him to know that they live in a house with structure and rules.

Bullshit, he is immediately integrated into the Family, in such a suffocating fashion that he lashes out in order to protect his induviduality to which Mary responds by physically bullying him. This isn't about chores or expectations This is why liberal ideologies are so repugnant, the hypocrisy of it all. There's no intellectual or emotional enlightenment, they just pretend to be kind and gentle until the individual expresses dissent, then it's Might makes Right just like every other tyrant.

If Billy didn't resist, then Mary wouldn't have had to be so rough. Yep, it's all Billy's fault.

If you live in a house with girls, you put the toilet seat down. That's just common courtesy. Kids need curfews or would you have them running all over town at all hours of the night?

Right, because that’s what happened here. Billy was out all night, didn’t put the seat down after a wicked piss and when the little girl fell in he called her a stupid Tard. Oh wait, that only happens in your irrelevant tangent.

And whats wrong with making sure that he understands that laundry and dishes are responsibilities that everybody participates in? Who should do those things? If you don't feel like doing laundry and dishes, should you be excused?

Again, this isn’t what happened. Billy didn’t say "Fuck All You All! I don’t do dishes!" anywhere in my issue. Call me crazy but I just read what’s on the page.

I don't see what the problem is here.

There's a big difference between Mandatory assimilation into the Family unit and someone being responsible for cleaning up after themselves. The only people who don’t see this as a problem are sycophant drones who are programmed what to think.

Mary appears to be the oldest child there, so the parents probably give her more responsibility than the other children. We never saw her do anything to abuse that except for when she pushed Billy back into his room. But that apparently bothers you...because she dared defend Darla, who upset Billy Batson the great defender of social justice.

Darla has no fucking business upsetting Billy by ignoring his boundaries in favor of fulfilling her desires to expand the Family unit. Mary has no fucking business bullying Billy for defending his own sense of individualism. There is no greater expression of defending social justice than by protecting the rights of the individual from those who represent the group that seeks to dominate them in the name of the “greater good”.

1.) How are they attempting to dominate his free will? Is it because the rest of the kids view themselves as a family and they extended the invite to join that family to Billy?

You almost got it there. Its not the invitation that’s the problem, its the physical abuse that resulted from Billy’s rejection. This isn’t about housework, or being personably responsible to the common space. They demand Billy emotionally assimilate himself immediately, or else.

2.) Where are you getting this notion that Darla has a mental disability? I may have missed something, somewhere but I haven't seen that referenced within the pages of this book. In any case, why does it matter? Is she somehow less of a person because you perceive her to have "Down's Syndrome?" Does that invalidate the hurt she felt because you don't think that her feelings are as important as Billy's?

Darla is emotionally retarded and chronically selfish to put her needs above Billy’s, this is why her feelings aren’t as important. Billy need not walk on eggshells or betray his own sense of comfort to protect hers, that’s just manipulative behavior on her part. Children get hurt when they don’t get their own way all the time, the worst thing anyone can do is reinforce that habit by capitulating to their selfish demands.

3.) You're right, these people have no respect for Billy's boundaries, so when he gets unlimited power, he should go straight back to his foster house and use them to stomp a teenage girl. That would really validate your argument.

There is no argument. I’m not some ideological fool who believes in right and wrong, good and evil. In the real world there is only Cause and Effect, everything else is nursery school fairy tales. I’m advocating Mary get a taste of her own medicine. Why shouldn’t she get bullied herself and see how she likes it?

Wow, so if the wizard needs an individual who "is ready to stand on his own against unfathomable evil" then he needs look no further than a brat who can take a stand against a little girl who hopes that she can find a semblance of family with the people around her.

Brat? Billy is an individual who resents having to conform to the wants of an insecure child. That little girl is selfish, I assume she’s retarded because a child her age in foster care should know better than to try and emotionally manipulate others in order to quell her own insecurities.

Her needs don’t come first, it’s not Billy’s preferred point of reference. Bullying him into conformity is abusive, pure and fucking simple.

Also, how is Billy in any way shape or form a non-conformist? The fact that he is a pre-teen who hates authority? The fact that he has a pessimistic attitude towards other people? The massive chip on his should and "the world owes me attitude? That's not non-conforming...its not even original. Its a majority of teens and pre-teens in this country.

WTF are you reading? He hates morons who run foster care. He’s podcasting about how these people suck, so he obviously respects some kind of authority or else he wouldn’t emulate one as positive as journalism. He wants to be 18 to be free of the SYSTEM. There’s no chip on his shoulder, he doesn’t feel owed by anyone. He’s a whistleblower podcaster who will fit in quite nicely on his own in broadcast journalism.

The Billy Batson that I know would have walked into that house and introduced himself to those people. He would have tried to make the most out of the situation. When the world kicks him in the teeth, he turns and smiles because he is optimistic and he knows that as bad as today is, tomorrow could be better.

That Billy Batson was an individual who lived free and in the wild as the Kratt Brothers say. He wasn’t oppressed by the SYSTEM run by idiots and morons who deserved to be exposed for their incompetence.

Wow, so the real Billy Batson is a kid who takes a stand against injustice...and doesn't take a stand against a group of kids trying to make him feel welcome in a new house?

The only difference between Billy’s new Family and the Borg is demeanor. They punished him for his failure to assimilate, so resistance is ultimately futile.

I'm surprised because you almost had me convinced that a real crusader for social justice would do something like make a little girl cry

Fuck that little girl, serves her right for opening her mouth and imposing her will on others. Billy is finally setting some fucking boundaries for that whiney brat that her own father should have done years ago. Coddled children need to learn “NO” the most, or else they learn to become passive aggressive tyrants who hold people emotionally hostage with their unhappiness.

or use the powers of Shazam to strike down a teen girl because she had the audacity to push him down after he made that little girl cry.

Rationalized authoritarianism is the root of all discord among mankind. People like Mary who don’t “Do unto others” deserve to get stomped. But hey, I’m all about equal opportunity. Mary should have an equal portion of Shazam’s power too, then Billy could really take his time and enjoy her comeuppance.

Unlike Mary who is older and stronger, Billy is a sport. He'd make it a fair fight.

[fieldy snuts]

This cant be a serious line of reasoning.

[habitual]

This has to be the worst deconstruction I've read of a poorly written story in like forever.

It also reads like it was written by a 14 year old, and that's being generous.

Hab

with apologies to 14 year olds...

[habitual]

:lol:

This cant be a serious line of reasoning.

I think if you read closely it's taking a serious line of reasoning, and fucking it with no lube.

Hab

[fieldy snuts]

I think if you read closely it's taking a serious line of reasoning, and fucking it with no lube.

Hab

Typical liberal ideology. You'd probaly rather Billy be the bitch of the Marvel family where Mary forces him to do household cleaning with the threat of a broomstick with no Vaseline. Every time I see lines like that I'm reminded of that Cube song =/

Billy keeps it too real to conform to that fascist regime.

[habitual]

Typical liberal ideology. You'd probaly rather Billy be the bitch of the Marvel family where Mary forces him to do household cleaning with the threat of a broomstick with no Vaseline. Every time I see lines like that I'm reminded of that Cube song =/

Billy keeps it too real to conform to that fascist regime.

Liberal? I am an individual who resents having to conform to the wants of an insecure poster. That little poster is selfish , I assume he’s retarded because a child his age should know better than to try posting this way and emotionally manipulate others in order to quell her own insecurities.

Hab

[fieldy snuts]

Liberal? I am an individual who resents having to conform to the wants of an insecure poster. That little poster is selfish , I assume he’s retarded because a child his age should know better than to try posting this way and emotionally manipulate others in order to quell her own insecurities.

Hab

I concur. Or he's an old timer that think's he's got down the 'hip and cool' way of understanding todays teenager.

A kid that acts so cocky and mean as DCnU Billy Batson is a target for a beatdown IMO.

[sdsichero]

Call me crazy but I just read what’s on the page.

You're crazy.

[Grayson]

Fuck your liberal ideologies in the ass with no lube. You are saying that Billy needs to roll over for every little girl and smily face that wants to enforce their will on him. For some people, resistance isn't futile.

No, I'm not saying that Billy has to roll over for anybody. All I am saying is that Billy should have a little compassion for a little girl who is younger than he is and is also in the foster system. I really don't care if he wants to be a part of their family or not. You are attempting to portray Darla as some type of great evil, when she is simply a little girl whose parents didn't die, they told her to her face that they didn't want her. She got excited that there might be a new addition to her new family. Billy could have just of easily said something along the lines of "I'm sorry Darla but I just met you" and then excused himself.

Bullshit, he is immediately integrated into the Family, in such a suffocating fashion that he lashes out in order to protect his induviduality to which Mary responds by physically bullying him. This isn't about chores or expectations This is why liberal ideologies are so repugnant, the hypocrisy of it all. There's no intellectual or emotional enlightenment, they just pretend to be kind and gentle until the individual expresses dissent, then it's Might makes Right just like every other tyrant.

Mary doesn't lay a hand on Billy until her mentally bullies Darla. Billy may not want anything to do with this family but they rest of the kids have already made it clear that they look out for each other. Here comes a new kid, who gets greeted with nothing but kindness and then lashes out at the meekest of the bunch. Mary isn't some type of iron-fisted tyrant waiting to strike down the first signs of an uprising. She is a big sister who isn't going to let some snot nose punk walk into the house and lash out at her brothers and sisters.

If Billy didn't resist, then Mary wouldn't have had to be so rough. Yep, it's all Billy's fault.

Again, Mary wouldn't have been so rough if he hadn't lashed out and mentally bullied Darla. At that point it was clear that Billy had no interest in anybody but himself so she helped him get to where he wanted to be, alone.

Right, because that’s what happened here. Billy was out all night, didn’t put the seat down after a wicked piss and when the little girl fell in he called her a stupid Tard. Oh wait, that only happens in your irrelevant tangent.

My "tangent" is relevant because it is directly citing the exact conversation that led to the event that we have been discussing. The children were explaining the house rules to Billy, perfectly reasonable rules, unless you have a problem with the examples that I listed. Its obvious from the look on Billy's face what he thought of these rules. Then Billy went off on his tangent about wanting to be left alone, which resulted in him lashing out.

Again, this isn’t what happened. Billy didn’t say "Fuck All You All! I don’t do dishes!" anywhere in my issue. Call me crazy but I just read what’s on the page.

You're right, he didn't say "Fuck All You All! I don't do dishes!" What he did do was laugh at the idea of family rules and then respond that he wanted to be left alone. What I was actually commenting on, was your insistence that Billy's "reluctance to conform to base liberal ideologies." Using your own comment that you "just read what's on the page" and considering that all that was really happening in those pages was the children welcoming Billy to their home and explaining the house rules, I can only logically deduce that Billy is reluctant to conform to being welcomed into a home and having house rules...because once again, that is all that was happening on the page.

There's a big difference between Mandatory assimilation into the Family unit and someone being responsible for cleaning up after themselves. The only people who don’t see this as a problem are sycophant drones who are programmed what to think.

Where is this mandatory assimilation that you are speaking of? When it became painfully obvious that Billy had no interest in being a part of their family, they were more than happy to leave him alone. I didn't see anybody follow Billy into his room and chant "one of us, one of us." All I saw was a group of children welcoming a new kid into their home. Not one time did Mary look at Billy and proclaim "you will be a part of this family or else..."

Darla has no fucking business upsetting Billy by ignoring his boundaries in favor of fulfilling her desires to expand the Family unit. Mary has no fucking business bullying Billy for defending his own sense of individualism.

What boundaries are you talking about? At what point in time from the moment that he walked into that house until the moment that he lashed out at Darla, did he ever say "I have no interest in being a part of this family, I don't want to get to know any of you, leave me alone?" How were any of those kids supposed to know exactly what Billy was thinking? How were they supposed to know that he would react so negatively to them welcoming him into their home? Billy may have had every right to say that he wanted to be left alone but he didn't have any right to tell those kids that they weren't a family.

There is no greater expression of defending social justice than by protecting the rights of the individual from those who represent the group that seeks to dominate them in the name of the “greater good”.

Please, its a group of foster children who as of this point we have no reason to believe have anything but good intentions (well except for maybe Freddy who appears to be a pickpocket), because once again in your own words "I just read what’s on the page." There isn't some big social injustice going on here.

You almost got it there. Its not the invitation that’s the problem, its the physical abuse that resulted from Billy’s rejection. This isn’t about housework, or being personably responsible to the common space. They demand Billy emotionally assimilate himself immediately, or else.

The physical abuse didn't result from Billy's rejection. The physical abuse was a result of Billy emotional abuse of Darla and once again, they didn't demand anything of Billy. They welcomed him to the house, they extended an invitation to join the family, and they explained the house rules. When Billy made it clear that he didn't want anything to do with their hospitality, they left him alone.

Darla is emotionally retarded and chronically selfish to put her needs above Billy’s, this is why her feelings aren’t as important. Billy need not walk on eggshells or betray his own sense of comfort to protect hers, that’s just manipulative behavior on her part. Children get hurt when they don’t get their own way all the time, the worst thing anyone can do is reinforce that habit by capitulating to their selfish demands.

Wow, ok ignoring the fact that using the word "retarded" is a very crude way to describe a person's mental state...that's quite the assumption. She has a mental disability because she wants Billy to be a part of her family and its ok for her feelings to be hurt, just as long as Billy isn't put out.

There is no argument. I’m not some ideological fool who believes in right and wrong, good and evil. In the real world there is only Cause and Effect, everything else is nursery school fairy tales. I’m advocating Mary get a taste of her own medicine. Why shouldn’t she get bullied herself and see how she likes it?

How is a teenage girl getting physically assaulted by a superhuman getting "a taste of her own medicine?" If Billy were to start abusing the powers of Shazam in such a way, then he really would be a villain and not just a jerk. Also, if you don't believe in right and wrong or good and evil, then why do you have a problem with the way that Billy was treated? It wouldn't be any more evil or wrong for Mary to assert what she wanted any more than it was for Billy. Billy didn't want to be a part of their family and he didn't want them to think that they were a family. Mary wanted to shove Billy into his room because she didn't like the way he was acting.

Brat? Billy is an individual who resents having to conform to the wants of an insecure child. That little girl is selfish, I assume she’s retarded because a child her age in foster care should know better than to try and emotionally manipulate others in order to quell her own insecurities.

Her needs don’t come first, it’s not Billy’s preferred point of reference. Bullying him into conformity is abusive, pure and fucking simple.

She's a little fucking girl not a psychology major! She probably doesn't even have any idea what "emotionally manipulating others" means! She is just a girl whose parents didn't want her and now she is creating her own family using the people surrounding her. Obviously the other kids in the house don't have a problem with being her brothers and sisters, so how is she supposed to automatically know that this new boy is going to be any different? Again, nobody is putting a gun to Billy's head and saying "you HAVE to conform to our idea of a family."

WTF are you reading? He hates morons who run foster care. He’s podcasting about how these people suck, so he obviously respects some kind of authority or else he wouldn’t emulate one as positive as journalism. He wants to be 18 to be free of the SYSTEM. There’s no chip on his shoulder, he doesn’t feel owed by anyone. He’s a whistleblower podcaster who will fit in quite nicely on his own in broadcast journalism.

Oh ok, because a teenager with a Podcast screams "non-conformist." I'll remember that the next time I search for something on Youtube and 12 different videos of teenagers with Podcasts pop up to tell me how they feel about whatever it is that I searched for.

The only difference between Billy’s new Family and the Borg is demeanor. They punished him for his failure to assimilate, so resistance is ultimately futile.

Don't forget all the mechanical parts, tubes, and wires. Those are also differences between Billy's new family and the Borg. And again, they didn't punish him for his failure to assimilate. Mary punished him because he lashed out at her little sister and made her cry. This was an unacceptable to Mary as being a part of their family was to Billy.

Fuck that little girl, serves her right for opening her mouth and imposing her will on others. Billy is finally setting some fucking boundaries for that whiney brat that her own father should have done years ago. Coddled children need to learn “NO” the most, or else they learn to become passive aggressive tyrants who hold people emotionally hostage with their unhappiness.

But wait a second, if it isn't her right to impose her will on others...then how is it ok for Billy to impose his idea of what her boundaries should be upon her?

Rationalized authoritarianism is the root of all discord among mankind. People like Mary who don’t “Do unto others” deserve to get stomped. But hey, I’m all about equal opportunity. Mary should have an equal portion of Shazam’s power too, then Billy could really take his time and enjoy her comeuppance.

Ok, lets say that both Billy and Mary get equal portions of Shazam's power. If Billy were to give Mary "what was coming to her" then it basically would amount to him shoving her down onto the ground. That's it and that's all, right? It wouldn't be necessary for him to "stomp her into the ground" because at no point did she ever do that to him.

Unlike Mary who is older and stronger, Billy is a sport. He'd make it a fair fight.

We don't know that Mary is older or stronger than Billy. All we know is that she is taller than Billy. But I see your point. If Billy were a real sport, he would definitely make sure that it was a fair fight before he engaged in a fight with a girl.

[HNutz]

Call ME crazy, but Ntikrst is making me want to read this...

[Log-Man]

Well, this thread certainly took a turn for the bizarre.

[IvCNuB4]

[Grayson]

Well, this thread certainly took a turn for the bizarre.

I feel partially responsible...

[Log-Man]

I blame society.

[Grayson]

I blame society.

Or...was it Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick?!