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[Log-Man]

You can't prove anything!

[Grayson]

You can't prove anything!

...well played sir.

[Cat-Scratch]

[sdsichero]

Call ME crazy, but Ntikrst is making me want to read this...

Get a hold of yourself man!

[alaska1125]

Well, this thread certainly took a turn for the bizarre.

Indeed. Really more of a turn for the insane...

[Cat-Scratch]

Ntikrst, really awesome performance poster... or not.

He's reminds me a younger Jude.

[chap22]

I'm not sure exactly who Ntikrst is (tho I have my suspicions), but MY GOD are you people getting LUTZed hard.

Seriously, nobody caught his slip-up where he essentially admits he's all "let me apply this neat manifesto I found in my rinky-dink liberal arts college's library to this message board for lols" performance posting? And I quote:

There is no argument. I’m not some ideological fool who believes in right and wrong, good and evil. In the real world there is only Cause and Effect, everything else is nursery school fairy tales.

Uh huh. And yet you're reading Justice League and Shazam!!!!!! right, dude...preach on.

[Grayson]

I'm not sure exactly who Ntikrst is (tho I have my suspicions), but MY GOD are you people getting LUTZed hard.

Well now I am embarrassed. As hard as it was to believe, I actually thought that this poster was for real...

[Ntikrst]

No, I'm not saying that Billy has to roll over for anybody. All I am saying is that Billy should have a little compassion for a little girl who is younger than he is and is also in the foster system. I really don't care if he wants to be a part of their family or not. You are attempting to portray Darla as some type of great evil

Her selfishness is "great evil", or at least it's antagonistic. So what if she's three years younger tops, Darla is a crazy bitch. She's infatuated with Billy, and her eagerness to increase the herd is forced so much I can only assume she's simple like Gump at least.

, when she is simply a little girl whose parents didn't die, they told her to her face that they didn't want her.

So what? Kids in the third world forage through garbage for food, and those are the lucky ones. Darla should be thankful she's not enslaved in the sex trade.

She got excited that there might be a new addition to her new family. Billy could have just of easily said something along the lines of "I'm sorry Darla but I just met you" and then excused himself.

All that Billy said was "The only rule around here is I leave you alone and you leave me alone. I'm not your brother, we're not family. None of you really are." Darla is a tween, how could Billy know she's so weak that his refusal to be assimilated would shatter her fragile emotional psyche. The girl smothered him, she needs to learn to respect other people's boundaries because in the real world people don't give a fuck about one another's feelings. Darla doesn't care about Billy's, so there's no reason why he should care about hers. But he does, he didn't mean to make her cry.

Mary doesn't lay a hand on Billy until her mentally bullies Darla. Billy may not want anything to do with this family but they rest of the kids have already made it clear that they look out for each other. Here comes a new kid, who gets greeted with nothing but kindness and then lashes out at the meekest of the bunch.

Billy lashed out? "The only rule around here is I leave you alone and you leave me alone. I'm not your brother, we're not family. None of you really are." That's lashing out? Man o man, you have got to be fucking kidding me.

Lashing out would involve threats, profanities, and racial slurs. Mary bullies Billy for insubordination, and that by definition makes her a tyrant. Look at her assuming command from the parents, "and I can lay out the house rules." The same old smug cunt that got seduced by Black Adam is back.

Again, Mary wouldn't have been so rough if he hadn't lashed out and mentally bullied Darla. At that point it was clear that Billy had no interest in anybody but himself so she helped him get to where he wanted to be, alone.

Ya, Billy sure had it coming.

My "tangent" is relevant because it is directly citing the exact conversation that led to the event that we have been discussing.

The only rule Billy objects to is the Family Rule, that they always have each other's back. So your tangent about chores is irrelevant because Billy never objects to those rules.

You're right, he didn't say "Fuck All You All! I don't do dishes!" What he did do was laugh at the idea of family rules

No, you are wrong. He specifically laughed at The Family Rule, that they always have each others back. Maybe Billy doesn't want to watch out for other people? Maybe he prefers to take care of his own business.

What I was actually commenting on, was your insistence that Billy's "reluctance to conform to base liberal ideologies." Using your own comment that you "just read what's on the page" and considering that all that was really happening in those pages was the children welcoming Billy to their home and explaining the house rules, I can only logically deduce that Billy is reluctant to conform to being welcomed into a home and having house rules...because once again, that is all that was happening on the page.

Well I've pointed out how wrong you are twice, so maybe third times the charm. They welcomed Billy, stole his wallet, smothered him with unwanted affection, then pointed out the rules of the house. It was only after Billy was confronted with the Family Rule, watching out for each other's back which involves enforced assimilation. Billy asserted his individuality, and he called Darla Tiny Tina and said we ain't all that.

Mary's girl power is uncalled for, she could have made all her points about Billy's insensitivity without stooping to physical intimidation.

Where is this mandatory assimilation that you are speaking of?

Why else is Billy being punished/vilified? If Darla didn't cry then Mary wouldn't have bullied Billy. Darla uses her emotional instability to manipulate those around her.

What boundaries are you talking about? At what point in time from the moment that he walked into that house until the moment that he lashed out at Darla, did he ever say "I have no interest in being a part of this family, I don't want to get to know any of you, leave me alone?"

How about when Mrs. Vasquez asked if he has anything to say to which Billy responds "Maybe if I could breathe". Darla, who is obsessing about Billy Batson loving it "there", is smothering him on the couch. Mr. Vasquez figures out that this is a lot for Billy to take in, so why can't the rest of them? Why can't you? Billy's got to wear a sandwich board before people can grab a clue. Poor kid, he is surrounded by morons and idiots.

How were any of those kids supposed to know exactly what Billy was thinking? How were they supposed to know that he would react so negatively to them welcoming him into their home? Billy may have had every right to say that he wanted to be left alone but he didn't have any right to tell those kids that they weren't a family.

Says who? It's the truth after all. Just because a bunch of sheep need to declare themselves loyal to a herd in order to feel safe at night, doesn't mean Billy is obligated to "respect" their emotionally stunted idiosyncrasies.

Please, its a group of foster children who as of this point we have no reason to believe have anything but good intentions(well except for maybe Freddy who appears to be a pickpocket), because once again in your own words "I just read what’s on the page." There isn't some big social injustice going on here.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The social injustice occurred when Billy was punished for refusing to assimilate. Enforced social democracy is always an injustice, no matter how many children cry.

Wow, ok ignoring the fact that using the word "retarded" is a very crude way to describe a person's mental state...that's quite the assumption. She has a mental disability because she wants Billy to be a part of her family and its ok for her feelings to be hurt, just as long as Billy isn't put out.

Retarded is just a word, its degree of crudeness is a subjective connotation. It's not a democratic consensus because sheep don't count. Darla seems retarded because she is emotionally unstable and painfully naive for someone who appears to be 12 years old to Billy's 15.

How is a teenage girl getting physically assaulted by a superhuman getting "a taste of her own medicine?"

Billy should do unto her as she did unto him. I was mistaken though, she's not older, they look to be twins still so Billy should just stand up for himself. Of course it would be a more exciting fight if they were both super-powered.

If Billy were to start abusing the powers of Shazam in such a way, then he really would be a villain and not just a jerk.

Do you seriously think these kids aren't going to fight among themselves after they get juiced up? I don't.

Also, if you don't believe in right and wrong or good and evil, then why do you have a problem with the way that Billy was treated?

I have a problem with how Billy is being presented, how he's being perceived. That he's being vilified for putting his individual needs before the groups. It immediately strikes me as communitarian propaganda.

It wouldn't be any more evil or wrong for Mary to assert what she wanted any more than it was for Billy. Billy didn't want to be a part of their family and he didn't want them to think that they were a family. Mary wanted to shove Billy into his room because she didn't like the way he was acting.

So Billy is then also entitled to shove people around when he doesn't like how they are acting. Cool, I would like to think so, but I'm sure Billy will learn his lesson.

She's a little fucking girl not a psychology major! She probably doesn't even have any idea what "emotionally manipulating others" means! She is just a girl whose parents didn't want her and now she is creating her own family using the people surrounding her.

And if they don't like it, Darla cries and Mary throws her weight around. Darla is 12, she should know better to not be so overwhelming as Mr. Vasquez puts it.

Again, nobody is putting a gun to Billy's head and saying "you HAVE to conform to our idea of a family."

No, Mary just throws him to the ground.

Oh ok, because a teenager with a Podcast screams "non-conformist." I'll remember that the next time I search for something on Youtube and 12 different videos of teenagers with Podcasts pop up to tell me how they feel about whatever it is that I searched for.

Billy is specifically hosting broadcasts about the foster care system. Vilifying non-conformists is repugnant.

But wait a second, if it isn't her right to impose her will on others...then how is it ok for Billy to impose his idea of what her boundaries should be upon her?

Billy is reinforcing his boundaries, he's not defining Darla's. Why on earth should Billy put Darla's feelings above his own?

Ok, lets say that both Billy and Mary get equal portions of Shazam's power. If Billy were to give Mary "what was coming to her" then it basically would amount to him shoving her down onto the ground. That's it and that's all, right? It wouldn't be necessary for him to "stomp her into the ground" because at no point did she ever do that to him.

Cause and effect baby, maybe Billy would want to make an example of Mary for the rest of the Family to respect others feelings as well as their own. I know Mr. Vasquez would approve, he knew they were overwhelming Billy from the get go.

[Ntikrst]

I'm not sure exactly who Ntikrst is (tho I have my suspicions), but MY GOD are you people getting LUTZed hard.

Seriously, nobody caught his slip-up where he essentially admits he's all "let me apply this neat manifesto I found in my rinky-dink liberal arts college's library to this message board for lols" performance posting? And I quote:



Uh huh. And yet you're reading Justice League and Shazam!!!!!! right, dude...preach on.

I'm just a huge fan of Captain Marvel from CBR who's pissed at John's attempt to apply his "rinky-dink liberal mindset" to the new Shazam Family. You all think Billy's a dick, I think the new Family sucks.

I've been in Billy's shoes, literally. It's not fun.

[habitual]

I'm just a huge fan of Captain Marvel from CBR who's pissed at John's attempt to apply his "rinky-dink liberal mindset" to the new Shazam Family. You all think Billy's a dick, I think the new Family sucks.

I've been in Billy's shoes, literally. It's not fun.

What did you have to do to catch the train?

Hab

[habitual]

So I just took a look at the splash page in the first issue of Trinity War and if the character in the upper left hand corner of the page is Billy as Cap then this revamp is even worse than I originally thought, again something I didn't think possible.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/trinity-war.jpg

Hab

[IvCNuB4]

Color of the outfit may be a key. Black Adam perhaps, or Billy possessed by Black Adam ?

This is the new Shazam outfit that we've seen (so far)

[habitual]

Color of the outfit may be a key. Black Adam perhaps, or Billy possessed by Black Adam ?

Whatever it is needs to be taken out back and shot, then burned, then buried

Hab

[PDH]

Oh absolutely! I think that somebody came up with the initial idea for a complete reboot of the DCU, some of the other guys at DC got excited, then they realized that there were guys like Johns and Morrison who had been telling an on-going story in their titles, and from there a complete reboot turned into a partial relaunch, which was rushed and became a poorly executed cluster fuck.

That does sound very plausible.