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[AaronW]

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Will die when he meets Melisandre's shadow baby. I'm guessing this will be next episode.

I was just messing around. I've read the books.

[AaronW]

I didn't know she could perform magic, I thought she was a loony.

Well she did drink poison that brutally killed the Maester while she was unaffected so she isn't exactly normal up to this point.

Doh saw this was already addressed!

[PDH]

In the books, Davos doesn't see the birth of a Shadow Baby until the one Melisandre uses to kill Ser Courtnay Penrose, who is keeping the doors to Storm's End closed in order to predict Edric Storm. They transposed that scene to Renly's Shadow Baby.

Ah yes, I remember now. For some reason I thought the shadow killed Renly in the books, as well.

[PDH]

I was just messing around. I've read the books.

[Punchy]

Ah yes, I remember now. For some reason I thought the shadow killed Renly in the books, as well.

Yeah, in the books we don't see where and how the shadow came from until after Renly.

[PDH]

Right. So Renly gets killed by the shadow in front of Brienne and Catelyn and Stannis sees the whole thing in his dream, then later on we get the scene with Davos and Melisandre and it's like 'oh, that's where the shadow babies are coming from. Melisandre's vagina, got it.'

The show is confusing me.

[Punchy]

Right. So Renly gets killed by the shadow in front of Brienne and Catelyn and Stannis sees the whole thing in his dream, then later on we get the scene with Davos and Melisandre and it's like 'oh, that's where the shadow babies are coming from. Melisandre's vagina, got it.'

The show is confusing me.

Yep, but because Renly's camp in the show isn't Storm's End, they can't do it the way the book has it.

[Strict31]

This is one of the few (perhaps only) shows I've ever watched all the way through to the second season in which I've hated the overwhelming majority of the characters. I find myself anticipating horrible deaths for most of the characters in the series.

The few characters I like, I love. Snow, Dany, Tyrion, etc. I actually feel like rooting for them.

But I also root for death and/or pain to be bestowed on...pretty much everyone else. With a few exceptions, of course. Starting to sorta like Robb, for example.

Even with characters I utterly despise and find to be vile, the writing has invested me enough to actively wish for them to die. I cannot say any show has ever done the same. Usually, if I hate a majority of characters in a show, I just turn that shit off. But this draws you in. Gives you good reason to hate Littlefinger or Cersi or Joffrey.

The only problem I'm having with the show is the amount of characters just recently introduced. I find I don't really give a shit about what happens to Stannis or Theon's dad and so forth. This is true of characters who've been on the show a while, like Renly. I'd prefer to see more screentime devoted to Snow or Dany or Arya. I know that Stannis was mentioned last season, and that he didn't just come out of the blue. But he feels as if he did. Same with the Greyjoy family tree.

I imagine that, in the books, there is much more time and space to devote to all the characters, because they don't have to squeeze scenes down to fit an hour-long format. And you can't just...not put these characters into the show, since they're in the books.

But man, this has got to be a major obstacle to viewers who jumped on in the second season. This happened to my boss's girlfriend. He's into the show as much as I am, and she was interested but never had the chance to watch. A few weeks ago, they sat down to watch the second season, and it was just character overload for her. It wasn't able to hold her interest.

This really isn't the sort of show where you can just jump in without having viewed prior episodes, but I wonder if that will have any impact on the show's continued success. On the whole, will new jack viewers like what they see enough to go back and watch older episodes, to figure out who's who and what's what?

[Rockman]

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Stannis became a lot more interesting for me after the end of the second book. You never get a glimpse inside his psyche, but through characters like Jon Snow and Davos we get to see more of him after his failures and I for one thought it was rather interesting.

[PDH]

I think new viewers are basically boned! The only solution would be to make it easier to see the first season/read the books.

The way that Martin writes the stories is that every chapter has a different PoV character and through them we get introduced to the rest of the world. There are a few characters, like Robb, who don't get any PoV chapters at all and some who get way too many. So, you get attached to them in ways that can't really be translated to the screen.

Most fans basically have a few favourites who they root for but the interesting thing is that it varies wildly from reader to reader. So you get Stark loyalists, Targaryen supporters, Lannister fans (yes, the Lannisters get a lot more interesting in later books, especially Jaime) etc. Everyone has those few characters whose chapters are a chore for them to read but again it varies when it comes to which characters. Some people hate Dany, others love her. Some people can't stand Brienne, for other people she's their favourite and so on.

There were characters like Davos, Stannis, Bran etc. who I thought were really boring at the start and then later on they became much more interesting. Bran's chapters used to be incredibly tedious, for instance, but they were arguably the highlight of the latest book. I loved Cersei's arc in Feast For Crows but I know a lot of people whose blood boils every time they see her name.

Whoever you are, there are bound to be a number of characters you'll want to follow.

[PDH]

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Stannis became a lot more interesting for me after the end of the second book. You never get a glimpse inside his psyche, but through characters like Jon Snow and Davos we get to see more of him after his failures and I for one thought it was rather interesting.

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I think when he shows up to save the Night's Watch - one of very few characters who takes that seriously and does the right thing - that's when I really started to respect him.

[Rockman]

yes that was very cool

and Bran only had like two or three chapters in the latest book, it's like Martin is running out of ideas of what to do with him. The same could basically be said for any of the starks not named Jon Snow though.

I do think Bran would be a good character to

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Confirm for the audience that Lisana Stark is in fact Jon Snow's mother and the Mad King's son was his father.

[TROY]

I just really want some of the characters that I absolutely hate to start fucking getting killed! So far only ones that I like are the ones that are dying.

[Regulator]

Catching up on a series via DVD so you can watch it live is not a new phenomenon. This isn't any different than any other popular serial TV show.

[Chris]

Catching up on GoT shouldn't be difficult. If you have HBO, you have HBO Go and the entire first season plus season 2 so far is on there.