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by **SuperginraiX** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:13 am

You can also send a shout out to John Byrne, who has been giving up the Big Two off and on for twenty years. I salute you, good sir.

Brian Hitch is also done with his Marvel commitments and is doing the completely original America's Got Powers series. This forging ahead into new, unexplored territory is what is going to save comics for a new generation.

There are many fine creators who every year follow the example laid down by the founders of Image and Dark Horse: work for the big two on fan favorite characters long enough to become a name star and then work on you own projects which are mostly derivative to what you were working on at the Big Two or other popular media. If that doesn't work, throw in a monkey or an ape. It's this forward thinking that has me excited about the future.

Comic creators! Burn your Big 2 bras and declare in one voice your independence! You HAVE the ideas for the next great Spider-Man story but... do you need to be writing Spider-Man to TELL it? Todd McFarlane says no and you should too.

by **GHERU** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:15 am

SuperginraiX wrote:You can also send a shout out to John Byrne, who has been giving up the Big Two off and on for twenty years. I salute you, good sir.

Brian Hitch is also done with his Marvel commitments and is doing the completely original America's Got Powers series. This forging ahead into new, unexplored territory is what is going to save comics for a new generation.

There are many fine creators who every year follow the example laid down by the founders of Image and Dark Horse: work for the big two on fan favorite characters long enough to become a name star and then work on you own projects which are mostly derivative to what you were working on at the Big Two or other popular media. If that doesn't work, throw in a monkey or an ape. It's this forward thinking that has me excited about the future.

Comic creators! Burn your Big 2 bras and declare in one voice your independence! You HAVE the ideas for the next great Spider-Man story but... do you need to be writing Spider-Man to TELL it? Todd McFarlane says no and you should too.

by **chap22** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:18 am

Timbales wrote:I wouldn't call "Welcome to Tranquility" unoriginal.

beat me to it.

by **chap22** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:19 am

SuperginraiX wrote:Comic creators! Burn your Big 2 bras and declare in one voice your independence! You HAVE the ideas for the next great Spider-Man story but... do you need to be writing Spider-Man to TELL it? Todd McFarlane says no and you should too.

22 years later, i'm still waiting for Todd's FIRST great Spider-Man story (no matter who he's writing to tell it), much less his next.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:20 am

Timbales wrote:I wouldn't call "Welcome to Tranquility" unoriginal.

Never heard of it. Just looked it up and it seems to be a Wildstorm book.

by **Timbales** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:22 am

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:22 am

SuperginraiX wrote:You can also send a shout out to John Byrne, who has been giving up the Big Two off and on for twenty years. I salute you, good sir.

Brian Hitch is also done with his Marvel commitments and is doing the completely original America's Got Powers series. This forging ahead into new, unexplored territory is what is going to save comics for a new generation.

There are many fine creators who every year follow the example laid down by the founders of Image and Dark Horse: work for the big two on fan favorite characters long enough to become a name star and then work on you own projects which are mostly derivative to what you were working on at the Big Two or other popular media. If that doesn't work, throw in a monkey or an ape. It's this forward thinking that has me excited about the future.

Comic creators! Burn your Big 2 bras and declare in one voice your independence! You HAVE the ideas for the next great Spider-Man story but... do you need to be writing Spider-Man to TELL it? Todd McFarlane says no and you should too.

It's funny you should say "If that doesn't work throw in a monkey or an ape", when Marvel have just recently finished there "Pet Avengers" and "Marvel Apes" storylines.

I can not see why anyone would want to tell a Spider-man or Avengers story. I don't think anyone creative should really think that way. People should want to tell a good story, I can not for the life of me figure out what makes Spider-man different from 100 other properties.

Take a leaf out of Alan Moore's book. Or someone like Kirkman whose not a fantastic writer by any stretch, but has tried to make his own properties, and has succeeded in mainstream success.

by **Greg** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 am

Welcome to Tranquility was a damn fun book.

I do think Simone came up with that on her own, not mandated.

by **Chesscub** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:24 am

Jubilee wrote:
Never heard of it. Just looked it up and it seems to be a Wildstorm book.

It was published by Wildstorm. I'm actually not sure who owns it though whether it's owned by DC or by Gail and Neil.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:26 am

Greg wrote:Welcome to Tranquility was a damn fun book.

I do think Simone came up with that on her own, not mandated.

Interesting. She did well to make that concept, but a quick look at the wiki shows that it's a book in the Wildstorm universe, with frequent references to it's expanded universe.

It's something like Secret Warriors then? Which Bendis created? Just a new team?

by **Chesscub** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:27 am

DC for a while was very friendly to creator owned properties in their universe

Monolith (owned by Palmotti and Gray)
Sovereign Seven (Chris Claremont)
Relative Heroes (Devin Grayson)

by **Grayson** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:27 am

Jubilee wrote:While I'm here, I thought I'd also criticise those writers who've never tried to branch out with their own ideas or original properties. People like Brubaker, Morrison and Bendis at least try and get new thoughts out.

But people like
Simone,
Johns
and Slott. Come on!

In defense of John's, whether you like his writing or not, the man is getting to write and shape the futures of his favorite characters. Maybe he hasn't attempted to branch out because he genuinely enjoys the work he is doing at DC. I don't see any reason to criticize him or really any of the other people on your list for not branching out from the Big 2.

by **Timbales** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:29 am

Jubilee wrote:
Interesting. She did well to make that concept, but a quick look at the wiki shows that it's a book in the Wildstorm universe, with frequent references to it's expanded universe.

It's something like Secret Warriors then? Which Bendis created? Just a new team?

no, it's not.

by **Jubilee** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:29 am

Sakie wrote:
In defense of John's, whether you like his writing or not, the man is getting to write and shape the futures of his favorite characters. Maybe he hasn't attempted to branch out because he genuinely enjoys the work he is doing at DC. I don't see any reason to criticize him or really any of the other people on your list for not branching out from the Big 2.

I do, I think after a few years most writers would be looking to branch out into their own creator owned work. People like Brubaker, Millar and Hickman seemed to do the big 2 stuff, but they seem to really get a kick off their own creator owned work. Why would you want to work on Captain America when you can write Sleeper/Criminal?

by **chap22** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:33 am

SuperginraiX wrote:You can also send a shout out to John Byrne, who has been giving up the Big Two off and on for twenty years. I salute you, good sir.

a better example would be Mike Mignola. that is, if you're talking about somebody who gave up the Big 2 to actually make good comics.