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by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:51 pm

The Shadow wrote:ignore

+10 sensitivity.

by **The Shadow** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:54 pm

Jubilee wrote:
I feel like creators are shoe horned into writing a certain issue arc. Without knowing how long they're on a book or how long to plan for.

Ed Brubaker would likely disagree with you. So would Peter David and Bendis.

Jubilee wrote:Nothing marvel or DC have ever produced comes close to Watchmen, Peeacher, 100 Bullets etc. but it'd be unfair on the creators to expect that.

Wasn't Watchmen, Preacher, 100 Bullets etc. published by DC? :smt102

by **S.F. Jude Terror** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Man, superhero fans are sensitive!

Hard to believe The Bass was getting trolled on a public forum though, can't imagine for the life of me why that would ever happen.

Fat Bob fans are a cruel and vindictive lot.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:42 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Fat Bob fans are a cruel and vindictive lot.

Considering that your entire site here is pretty much a validation of liking mainstream superhero comics, this thread based on a bogus premise by The Bass (Who said it was wrong to like "commercial work" exactly?) is like watching a bunch of church-goin' Christians pretending that that one Atheist guy they saw on the TV is persecuting them somehow.

Because most people here read what they like, a mix of different types of books in most cases.

(But yes I am, and don't you forget it.)

by **Jack Burton** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:48 pm

There's no reason you can't like both. My two favorite comic characters are The Thing and Usagi Miyamoto for Usagi Yojimbo. One is owned by Marvel created 50 year ago and has been written and drawn by hundreds if not thousands of different people. The other has been written and drawn by the same dude for 28 years.

There's room for both you just need to look hard. People who dismiss one or the other are just closed minded.

by **SuperginraiX** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Coke vs. Pepsi
Marvel vs. DC
Ford vs. Chevy
XBox vs. Playstation
Sports Team A vs. Sports Team B

People like to pick a side and then support it to crazy levels. I was going to say that comic readers need to have heroes and villains but the truth is that society needs heroes and villains. They need someone to rally behind and someone to hate beyond all reason.

We all do this to various levels. Sometimes we realize it but we still do it. Peoples are crazy.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:14 pm

SuperginraiX wrote:Coke vs. Pepsi
Marvel vs. DC
Ford vs. Chevy
XBox vs. Playstation
Sports Team A vs. Sports Team B

People like to pick a side and then support it to crazy levels. I was going to say that comic readers need to have heroes and villains but the truth is that society needs heroes and villains. They need someone to rally behind and someone to hate beyond all reason.

We all do this to various levels. Sometimes we realize it but we still do it. Peoples are crazy.

Well, the entire structure of a human is bilateral, and the human brain is predisposed to seeing dichotomies. This is reflected in the entirety of our culture, as it is hardwired.

by **Timbales** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:15 pm

sdsichero wrote:
Well, no not really. However, I understand what you mean. However, "commercial" is probably contextual in this case. Like "dude, you've gone commercial maaaaaan"

There's a certain "in group" if you like less commercial work I guess. It's like a secret club. Once it gets too popular, it loses that appeal to some.

I like both.

If someone is producing for an audience, and is getting paid, it's commercial. Big or small, it makes no difference.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:17 pm

Timbales wrote:
If someone is producing for an audience, and is getting paid, it's commercial. Big or small, it makes no difference.

This is true. Non-commercial art is basically limited to the Henry Dargers of the world, and when he died his work was commercialized too.

We can presume The Bass is making the usual distinction between mainstream and independent comics, while The President is off on a tangent about Kinkos--do Kinkos even exist any more? Anyways, if you could sum up the advantages of independent & self-published over mainstream into one single word, it would have to be "freedom". Or as Pete Bagge said recently in an interview here:

PB: Just write and draw EXACTLY what you want to. Don't hold back, and don't compromise. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Mainstream has advantages too, of a different sort, such as a semi-regular paycheck and generally a larger built-in audience as long as they keep writing established properties.

by **The Bass** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:28 pm

GHERU wrote:no he didn't
you keep pushing the notion that he said that

Yes, he did.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:33 pm

Also, the more types of comics, comics readers, and publishers, large and small, the healthier the future is for comics. It's a good thing for everyone.

But most of all, for Robert Kirkman.

by **SuperginraiX** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:43 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:
Well, the entire structure of a human is bilateral, and the human brain is predisposed to seeing dichotomies. This is reflected in the entirety of our culture, as it is hardwired.

I never said it was a profound thought. I just said we were all crazy.

by **Victorian Squid** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:45 pm

SuperginraiX wrote:I never said it was a profound thought. I just said we were all crazy.

But I never said it wasn't a profound thought. :-)

I think it's best to reconsider a dichotomy and allow messy complexity into the equation.

by **sdsichero** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:51 pm

Timbales wrote:
If someone is producing for an audience, and is getting paid, it's commercial. Big or small, it makes no difference.

You said "all work". Not all work is. Yes it is a nitpicky thing, but thought I'd get that out of the way.

by **The Bass** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:53 pm

Victorian Squid wrote:Also, the more types of comics, comics readers, and publishers, large and small, the healthier the future is for comics. It's a good thing for everyone.

But most of all, for Robert Kirkman.

I would have more respect for Kirkman (currently zero), if he sat down with every creator he scammed into coming to Image and told them exactly how much money they could expect to make in a fiscal year. You know if you want to sign up to his Skybound imprint, you have to sign over a portion of the profit to Kirkman? It's on the Image website.

I wonder to AMC know, when they're gloating about the new Thief of Thieves adaptation, that Nick Spencer is doing all the writing, and Kirkman forced him to choose between a high profile gig at Marvel, and TOT, which he doesn't even get credited for. Ironically, this comes a day after a customer in the shop called me an idiot because I don't care that Jack Kirby doesn't get a credit in the Avengers movie.