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[Rockman]

1. This is the big league's gentlemen.

Listen Young Justice is a fine cartoon, but the fact remains these are the side kicks. The Teen Titans, they aren't fighting the big fight most of the time, their just doing some menial mission for Batman or investigating circuses for fleas. Avengers on the other hand deal with global threats for breakfast and lunch and usually top it with a cosmic level threat before they tuck themselves in for the night. If the YJ team fails a mission that just means Batman has to assign it to some other mook, if the Avengers fail a mission it's very possible that the earth might be enslaved by a race of shape shifting aliens for the rest of time.

2. Better guest stars

Yes I love seeing Black Canary or Red Tornado pop up on the screen, or maybe glimpes of Guy Gardner. These are beloved characters. But none of these, I repeat none of these are Aunt Petunia's little boy Ben Grimm, done right for the first time ever in cartoons. That's just the apex of the iceberg here, we have Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Maria Hill, or the New Guardians of the Galaxy. Just to name a few. We've seen YJ's guest stars before, this is the first time we've seen many of these Marvel characters on screen and the first time many of them have been done right. No one can call themselves a comic fan if they didn't giggle like a school girl when The Thing and Hulk tusseled during the season 2 premiere.

3. Better Characterization

Young Justice did a great job with most of its characters. I personally think they did a very poor job with Wally West, but aside from that they were good. Avengers on the other hand have been pitch perfect, every character embodies what their comic book counterpart is about, and they've done a great job of incorporating unpopular storylines (Hank Pym's mental breakdown) and doing them in a way that people don't hate it.

4. Hulk is actually on the team.

For years we've wanted to see an Avengers team that actually had the Hulk on it for more than 1 issue, this show finally delivered that. And they've also given us what may be one of the funniest versions of the characters I've ever seen.

5. Better Villains

No contest. Sportsmaster, Klarion, Blockbuster, Bane.... These are relatively unknown characters to non comic fans, done well. But Avengers gives you Loki, Ultron, Kang, Doom, Enchantress, Zemo. The greatest hits of Avengers big bads with no end in sight. I know that we've seen Lex Luthor and other more notable villains on Young justice, but not nearly as much as the other characters.

[chap22]

1, 2, 3, 2, 1. nicely done, Rock.


also, i agree, especially about the big villains. and dear God, we're gearing up for Ragnarok & Roll, with Surtur and the Twilight Sword and BETA RAY BILL!!!!!!! i need bigger pants....

[AaronW]

Avengers is now my #2 super-hero series after Batman TAS. Well maybe slightly behind JL/JLU but its getting close. Partly because Marvel has better characters .

[habitual]

Probably the biggest difference between the two is that Avengers: EMH is mirroring pretty closely a number of story lines that occurred in the comic. Whereas YJ is entirely different than anything that DC has put in a book in a great while.

Hab

[Rockman]

D'oh I fixed the numbering thing.

[AaronW]

Probably the biggest difference between the two is that Avengers: EMH is mirroring pretty closely a number of story lines that occurred in the comic. Whereas YJ is entirely different than anything that DC has put in a book in a great while.

Hab

Which isn't a bad thing.

I'm personally not as much a fan as I find the whole Jr versions of heroes to be lame. In DC every major hero seems to need a Jr Sidekick version, and a female version. Lame.

[chap22]

Probably the biggest difference between the two is that Avengers: EMH is mirroring pretty closely a number of story lines that occurred in the comic. Whereas YJ is entirely different than anything that DC has put in a book in a great while.

Hab

the storyline originality (and animation style, i guess, but i like both) is really the only advantage YJ has over Avengers, IMMO. and even then, the stories Avengers is rehashing/tweaking are such favorites (minus the SHIELD registration subplot, that's the one thing i don't like), and done so well that that advantage is almost negligible for me. everything else goes to Avengers, but i still love both.

i'd put both in my top 5 superhero cartoons:

JL/JLU
BTAS
Spectacular Spidey
Avengers
YJ

[Timbales]

1) A larger threat doesn't mean a better story.

4) Hulk can't be in Young Justice, it's an apples to oranges argument

5) The villains used match the scope of the stories.

[AaronW]

plus Wally West IS THE FUCKING FLASH!!!! NOT KID FLASH, NOT FLASH BOY/LAD/JR. HE IS THE FUCKING FLASH!!!!!






Barry Allen = LAME!!!!

[chap22]

Which isn't a bad thing.

I'm personally not as much a fan as I find the whole Jr versions of heroes to be lame. In DC every major hero seems to need a Jr Sidekick version, and a female version. Lame.

yeah, b/c Marvel would never do that. see: Bucky, the entire MC2, the entire Young Avengers, Thor Girl, She-Hulk(s), Spider-Wom(e)n, Ms. Marvel, X-23, Phylla-Vell, etc etc

[AaronW]

yeah, b/c Marvel would never do that. see: Bucky, the entire MC2, the entire Young Avengers, Thor Girl, She-Hulk(s), Spider-Wom(e)n, Ms. Marvel, X-23, Phylla-Vell, etc etc

Those were largely after I left the world of funny books. Sure you had Spider-woman, and She Hulk. When you had a trillion cross overs a year, and the advent of total shit like Young Avengers and Hulkling and all that shit, the DCisation of Marvel, I was pretty much done. I just watch the 'toons, well the good ones, and the movies and look for nostalgic bits of classic storylines. Marvel and DC as they are could go under and comics die and I wouldn't give a fuck. They aren't even worth the bandwidth to pirate.

[PDH]

4. Hulk is actually on the team.

For years we've wanted to see an Avengers team that actually had the Hulk on it for more than 1 issue, this show finally delivered that. And they've also given us what may be one of the funniest versions of the characters I've ever seen.

I completely agree with this. The Hulk works so much better as part of a group.

I can see the reasoning behind putting characters like Wolverine and Spider-Man on the Avengers. Marvel wanted their most successful characters on the book. At DC, most of their biggest characters are on the Justice League but there's an asymmetry in Marvel's universe because the biggest characters in the story are not the biggest characters to the audience.

Moreover, the power levels of the most popular characters are pretty low. Spider-Man is not in the same league as people like Thor. So, you can see why the Avengers has traditionally spotlighted some of Marvel's less popular characters.

But the Hulk is one of the most recognisable superheroes and one of the most powerful and he works so well on a team like this (for the simple reason that he doesn't actually work very well on a team, hence entertainment). He should be one of the main characters associated with the Avengers.

All I can say is just wait until you see the movie. Hulk was the best character, whether as Banner or 'the other guy.'

[habitual]

the storyline originality (and animation style, i guess, but i like both) is really the only advantage YJ has over Avengers, IMMO. and even then, the stories Avengers is rehashing/tweaking are such favorites (minus the SHIELD registration subplot, that's the one thing i don't like), and done so well that that advantage is almost negligible for me. everything else goes to Avengers, but i still love both.

i'd put both in my top 5 superhero cartoons:

JL/JLU
BTAS
Spectacular Spidey
Avengers
YJ

I'll have to think about my list.

What about Spawn? Say what you want about McFarlene, that was an excellent cartoon, probably the highest production value I've ever seen or close to it.

Hab

[chap22]

I'll have to think about my list.

What about Spawn? Say what you want about McFarlene, that was an excellent cartoon, probably the highest production value I've ever seen or close to it.

Hab

i have never in my life given 1 shit about Spawn, and never will.

[Jack Burton]

I've wanted to see The Hulk(THE HULK not the frigging Red Hulk) on the Avengers since I was a kid. I love this show and the movie are finally letting me see it.