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[ReturnoftheMack]

One thing I like about Hope is the costume design of the character.

I hope that if Jean does come back or if they keep Hope, they keep that design.

[Grayson]

Eventually this will all end with everyone teaming, kicking the Phoenix's ass and everyone being all "We're sorry, we were both wrong."

TELL ME I'M WRONG!!!!

Well, clearly you're wrong. Let's look at the facts: Civil War happens, Steve Rogers is arrested, Tony Stark is placed in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. Secret Invasion happens, Tony Stark becomes a fugitive, Norman Osborne is placed in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D., scraps it and starts H.A.M.M.E.R. Siege happens, Norman Osborne is arrested, H.A.M.M.E.R. is destroyed, Steve Rogers is placed in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D.

If we continue to follow the pattern, it only stands to reason that the fickle government of the Marvel Universe will incarcerate some of the Avengers and then place Scott Summers as the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. The X-Men will become the top cops in the Marvel Universe, mutants will be revived, and we will wait for the next Marvel Event to rock the Marvel Universe to it's core while simultaneously breaking the internet in half.

[bkthomson]

Eventually this will all end with everyone teaming, kicking the Phoenix's ass and everyone being all "We're sorry, we were both wrong."



Just like every other vs. comic in the history of vs. comics.



TELL ME I'M WRONG!!!!

Nope I think something similar happened in Teen Titans / x-men.

[Punchy]

After the epic battles of last issue, this one felt a little flat compared, but it was still a very good issue and one that really ramps up the tension. Ed Brubaker takes over the writing and does his usual excellent job, especially with the characters he’s familiar with like Captain America. I found it interesting that Iron Man compared Cap’s actions here with what he did during Civil War, maybe that will change the perspective of some of the rabid ‘Cyclops is now evil’ fans, both sides are wrong and right in different ways, that’s why there is a conflict here, no one side is good or evil. I was surprised to see Rachel Grey working with Scott instead of Wolverine, but then I suppose for her, this issue is bigger than the schism between Utopia and the School, she has to side with the mutants here, because who else knows the danger of the Phoenix? I wonder what Hope’s plan is here, and which of the 5 locations (if any) she’s gone to. And that ending was very strong, even though Wolverine is stranded in the middle of nowhere, he’s still got a massive part to play here, especially now that he’s been separated from both sides, he’s a true wildcard, which is the best place for Wolverine to be.

[doombug]

Had the pleasure of having a conversation about this very issue when riding the escalator down to the movie theatre last night with a couple guys I'd never met before.

Was a pretty cool nerd moment. Had the issue on my phone too so showed my friend Adam the Wolverine/Cap fight.

[dairydead]

After the epic battles of last issue, this one felt a little flat compared, but it was still a very good issue and one that really ramps up the tension. Ed Brubaker takes over the writing and does his usual excellent job, especially with the characters he’s familiar with like Captain America. I found it interesting that Iron Man compared Cap’s actions here with what he did during Civil War, maybe that will change the perspective of some of the rabid ‘Cyclops is now evil’ fans, both sides are wrong and right in different ways, that’s why there is a conflict here, no one side is good or evil. I was surprised to see Rachel Grey working with Scott instead of Wolverine, but then I suppose for her, this issue is bigger than the schism between Utopia and the School, she has to side with the mutants here, because who else knows the danger of the Phoenix? I wonder what Hope’s plan is here, and which of the 5 locations (if any) she’s gone to. And that ending was very strong, even though Wolverine is stranded in the middle of nowhere, he’s still got a massive part to play here, especially now that he’s been separated from both sides, he’s a true wildcard, which is the best place for Wolverine to be.

I still don't understand "well only mutants can understand phoenix" thing. Anyone in the Marvel universe could easly educate themselves. Its stupid if Rachel really thinks that only mutants could possibly understand the situation correctly, especially since she got a psychic telegram telling her that the Phoenix wants to destroy earth. Its pretty clear that its not about Mutants vs Avengers, its about Scott's ego vs Steve's ego. It just so happens that Scott doesn't give a shit about Earth as a whole, but just about continuing his own agenda. Thats villainous no matter how you slice it.

[habitual]

I think Wolverine is just a diversion. Cable is the real wildcard.

We already know that Hope is past being stabbed in the chest.

Hab

[BlueStreak]

I still don't understand "well only mutants can understand phoenix" thing. Anyone in the Marvel universe could easly educate themselves. Its stupid if Rachel really thinks that only mutants could possibly understand the situation correctly, especially since she got a psychic telegram telling her that the Phoenix wants to destroy earth. Its pretty clear that its not about Mutants vs Avengers, its about Scott's ego vs Steve's ego. It just so happens that Scott doesn't give a shit about Earth as a whole, but just about continuing his own agenda. Thats villainous no matter how you slice it.

The only thing villainous about the quote you posted is the lack of paragraph spaces.

Hab

[dairydead]

The only thing villainous about the quote you posted is the lack of paragraph spaces.

Hab

nothing i say makes sense.

[Grayson]

Its pretty clear that its not about Mutants vs Avengers, its about Scott's ego vs Steve's ego. It just so happens that Scott doesn't give a shit about Earth as a whole, but just about continuing his own agenda. Thats villainous no matter how you slice it.

At the end of X-Sanction, Cable was able to show Cyclops the future if Hope isn't allowed to do whatever it is she is supposed to do presumably during this event. So, on one hand, Cyclops knows that life on Earth will end if Hope fails even if be doesn't know exactly what it is that she is supposed to do. On the other hand, he doesn't know that the Earth will be destroyed if they allow the Phoenix to reach it. He does know that the Phoenix doesn't automatically mean the end of the world.

If you allow Captain America to take Hope off world, there is absolutely no guarantee that the Phoenix will alter it's course. The Phoenix could just as easily continue towards Earth and destroy it before continuing it's pursuit.

[habitual]

The only thing villainous about the quote you posted is the lack of paragraph spaces.

Hab

Punchy needs an editor.

Hab

[BlueStreak]

At the end of X-Sanction, Cable was able to show Cyclops the future if Hope isn't allowed to do whatever it is she is supposed to do presumably during this event. So, on one hand, Cyclops knows that life on Earth will end if Hope fails even if be doesn't know exactly what it is that she is supposed to do. On the other hand, he doesn't know that the Earth will be destroyed if they allow the Phoenix to reach it. He does know that the Phoenix doesn't automatically mean the end of the world.

If you allow Captain America to take Hope off world, there is absolutely no guarantee that the Phoenix will alter it's course. The Phoenix could just as easily continue towards Earth and destroy it before continuing it's pursuit.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought Scott Summers is an absolute douche whose catchphrase during the event is "Fuck the Earth and give me my Magneto helmet." I don't know what comic you're reading but such a reasonable explanation isn't allowed in this discussion of how Cyclops is obviously most evil thundercunt to walk the planet since the guy who gave Corsair a faulty condom the night he conceived Cyclops.

Btw, I've totally switched sides. After reading this issue, I'm not only convinced that Cyclops is becoming a villain, I'm convinced that Cyclops has always been evil since he was planted as a Brotherhood mole before Uncanny X-Men #1. Can't wait for that reveal.

[BlueStreak]

Punchy needs an editor.

Hab

Thank you for volunteering, great grammatician of San Francisco. Please send your edits to Jude or SuperginraiX via PM. I'm glad you're finally putting your money where your endless stream of snide comments have been.

[habitual]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought Scott Summers is an absolute douche whose catchphrase during the event is "Fuck the Earth and give me my Magneto helmet." I don't know what comic you're reading but such a reasonable explanation isn't allowed in this discussion of how Cyclops is obviously most evil thundercunt to walk the planet since the guy who gave Corsair a faulty condom the night he conceived Cyclops.

Btw, I've totally switched sides. After reading this issue, I'm not only convinced that Cyclops is becoming a villain, I'm convinced that Cyclops has always been evil since he was planted as a Brotherhood mole before Uncanny X-Men #1. Can't wait for that reveal.

The one thing I truly enjoyed about this issue is that we see Scott Summer's outsmarting Cap and the team of Avenger's that he brought to the island. Logan was the only one savy enough to figure out what was going on. Editorial wouldn't have allowed that to happen 20 years ago.

Hab

[dairydead]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought Scott Summers is an absolute douche whose catchphrase during the event is "Fuck the Earth and give me my Magneto helmet." I don't know what comic you're reading but such a reasonable explanation isn't allowed in this discussion of how Cyclops is obviously most evil thundercunt to walk the planet since the guy who gave Corsair a faulty condom the night he conceived Cyclops.

Btw, I've totally switched sides. After reading this issue, I'm not only convinced that Cyclops is becoming a villain, I'm convinced that Cyclops has always been evil since he was planted as a Brotherhood mole before Uncanny X-Men #1. Can't wait for that reveal.

I dont think that is a fair assessment of the discussion. Scott has said himself, more or less, that he is only interested in preserving mutantkind at any cost. Right now, he is painting the earth with a giant target based on a hunch he has , completely ignoring the fact that the world's most prominent psychics were actually told BY the Phoenix that its planning on bringing destruction.