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[The Shadow]

No, he doesn't.



If people want to read a character who kills, like Wonder Woman, then why wouldn't they just read Wonder Woman? Why should Superman have to kill in order for a small amount of new readers to show interest in him?

Agreed.

They do, however, have to write interesting stories which they have not.

[Juan Cena]

What's wrong with that comment? The police in Metropolis at that time was corrupt, Superman is trying to stop that and one of the ways he's doing that is not only be beating them up and exposing the corruption, but also appealing to a sense of idealism that has been lost.

Being the cop you wanted to be when you were growing up is the same thing as 'truth justice and the american way'. Superman trying to lift everyone else up to be better.

But no, you want everyone to just suck up and give respect to every Policeman or Soldier or Fireman just because they wear a uniform.

The problem here is that it came off as being like the hollow, self-righteous tripe you hear from someone like Bill O'Riley or Keith Olbermann. There was a total lack of sincerity.

[Herald]

hehehe

I believe Supes sells are reflecting that he is being written with no character. DC said that the DCnU would be a tabla rasa; problem with a clean slate is you now need to write something interesting.

And since Dan and the Gang couldn't do that when they had a fully-established template of characterization, setting, and supporting cast to base everything on, there's no chance they can do that without a blueprint.

[Punchy]

The problem here is that it came off as being like the hollow, self-righteous tripe you hear from someone like Bill O'Riley or Keith Olbermann. There was a total lack of sincerity.

I don't think it did, insincerity is hard to judge from a written word.

[Juan Cena]

I don't think it did, insincerity is hard to judge from a written word.

Not really. Especially given the circumstances.

It seemed like through the first storyline that Supes/Clark was saying things like they were scripted, as opposed to being real and heartfelt. Like he was someone playing a role instead of being himself. Maybe that's something Morrison is going to explore as he goes on (is he Clark playing Superman, or vice versa?).

[ElijahSnowFan]

I won't pretend that I can fairly judge what Superman has been like in the DCNu.

But I will never understand why DC won't let Superman be more of the "This is a job for Superman" kind of character, somebody who flies off and punches something really, really hard to make them sit the eff down and shut the hell up, instead of making him this martyr-type symbol of purity.

Bottom line: Lex Luthor needs to be punched really effing hard. Brainiac needs to be punched really effing hard. Metallo needs to be punched really effing hard. Bizarro needs to be punched really effing hard.

Wash, rinse and repeat. Every single time somebody does something stupid in Metropolis that involves superpowers, they should be thinking, "Oh, hell. I need to hurry the hell up, because the Kryptonian might get here any second and punch me through a damn wall."

I have no idea why nobody ever gives us that Superman. Not a Boy Scout. Not a killer.

Just the best damn superhero ever created. Why is it that hard?

[Lord Ice]

[bkthomson]

I'm really not sure what I want from my Superman in this universe, while I miss the old one I'm still not comfortable with the new.

[Juan Cena]

I won't pretend that I can fairly judge what Superman has been like in the DCNu.

But I will never understand why DC won't let Superman be more of the "This is a job for Superman" kind of character, somebody who flies off and punches something really, really hard to make them sit the eff down and shut the hell up, instead of making him this martyr-type symbol of purity.

Bottom line: Lex Luthor needs to be punched really effing hard. Brainiac needs to be punched really effing hard. Metallo needs to be punched really effing hard. Bizarro needs to be punched really effing hard.

Wash, rinse and repeat. Every single time somebody does something stupid in Metropolis that involves superpowers, they should be thinking, "Oh, hell. I need to hurry the hell up, because the Kryptonian might get here any second and punch me through a damn wall."

I have no idea why nobody ever gives us that Superman. Not a Boy Scout. Not a killer.

Just the best damn superhero ever created. Why is it that hard?

This.

It seems that Dan and John and the rest of the Hollywood spanks at DC have forgotten the biggest the main reasons why people want to read Superman. It isn't to see him as a leftist 99%er or Clark Kent as a spineless pu$$y. They want to see Superman be Superman.

[Juan Cena]

Being the cop you wanted to be when you were growing up is the same thing as 'truth justice and the american way'. Superman trying to lift everyone else up to be better.

But no, you want everyone to just suck up and give respect to every Policeman or Soldier or Fireman just because they wear a uniform.

And since you brought this up, let me bring up something about your (and GM's) model of what Supes should be - Bruce Springsteen. One of the reason became so popular was his love of America and the working class; which, by the way, includes the police, military, and firemen. That's why when he comes out with something like "Born in the USA" (about US treatment of Vietnam Vets after they got home from the war) and "Ameircan Skin (41 Shots)" (About a real incident of NYC cops shooting an unarmed suspect), it gets people to take notice and think.

[The Shadow]

I won't pretend that I can fairly judge what Superman has been like in the DCNu.

But I will never understand why DC won't let Superman be more of the "This is a job for Superman" kind of character, somebody who flies off and punches something really, really hard to make them sit the eff down and shut the hell up, instead of making him this martyr-type symbol of purity.

Bottom line: Lex Luthor needs to be punched really effing hard. Brainiac needs to be punched really effing hard. Metallo needs to be punched really effing hard. Bizarro needs to be punched really effing hard.

Wash, rinse and repeat. Every single time somebody does something stupid in Metropolis that involves superpowers, they should be thinking, "Oh, hell. I need to hurry the hell up, because the Kryptonian might get here any second and punch me through a damn wall."

I have no idea why nobody ever gives us that Superman. Not a Boy Scout. Not a killer.

Just the best damn superhero ever created. Why is it that hard?

That pretty much sums up the old 1940's Fleisher Superman cartoons... and I love those!!

[aeroblast]

Since it is the DCNU a new universe no one needs to remember or reference the previous characterization and the previous Superman was very boring and did not sell well at all.

It is a good idea to make Superman grittier. For example the DCNU Teen Titans have more of an edge than the previous Teen Titans and so they are selling more. It is best to make DCNU Superman like the Earth One Superman who is very edgy.

[ThatGuyRoman]

Superman doesn't need to be grittier, his stories just need to not suck.

Also, outside of Luthor and Brainiac. his villains suck. This guy could feasibly stop like 75% of crime on earth by himself. How are we supposed to buy Toyman giving him trouble?

Either make him some sort of "protecting the world from stuff no one else can" type hero, bring him down a few power levels, or just give him better villains to match him. Also, maybe shake things up with the supporting cast. Yeah, the Kents, Lois and Jimmy are classics, but why not add some diversity up in that bitch?

Must the Daily Planet and Smallville be EVERYTHING in Clark's life? Doesn't the poor bastard have hobbies (aside from saving the world from random mort villains, because there aren't enough overpowered capes around to do that...)

[Juan Cena]

Since it is the DCNU a new universe no one needs to remember or reference the previous characterization and the previous Superman was very boring and did not sell well at all.

It is a good idea to make Superman grittier. For example the DCNU Teen Titans have more of an edge than the previous Teen Titans and so they are selling more. It is best to make DCNU Superman like the Earth One Superman who is very edgy.

It didn't help things that DC was pulling $#!t like not having Superman show up in any Superman books (like during the World of Krypton $#!t). Or having books not come out on time. Or making him a left-wing pu$$y.

Supes doesn't need to be "grim and griity" he just needs to be a man for once.

[GHERU]

remember kids, wanting cops not to be corrupt is a left wing issue
Conservatives like corrupt officials