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by **Psivage** » Sat May 12, 2012 12:02 pm

You're going to get a comic boner from reading it.

by **chap22** » Sat May 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Amoebas wrote:
You may not know the 'why', but this really made me laugh. Thanks.

please feel free to elaborate.

by **chap22** » Sat May 12, 2012 3:16 pm

also, i look forwad to your review, ESF. i think you'll be especially pleased by Captain Atom's handling.

by **Benderbrau** » Sat May 12, 2012 3:18 pm

chap22 wrote:also, i look forwad to your review, ESF. i think you'll be especially pleased by Captain Atom's handling.

I love how much screen time Captain Atom has been getting on YJ :smt026

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Sun May 13, 2012 11:59 am

chap22 wrote:also, i look forwad to your review, ESF. i think you'll be especially pleased by Captain Atom's handling.

First issue down; I liked it. I had read the premise in the Brightest Day zero issue, so I knew what had basically happened up to this point, but what surprised me about this issue was how much it reminded me of the early years of the JLI -- not quite as much obvious humor, but just enough to bring me back a little. It was fun reading it, and while I've always lamented Judd Winick's sometimes obvious disregard for back-reading, it really did seem that he understood the connections between the JLI members.

So, yeah. One issue down, 23 to go. But so far, I'm not regretting this.

by **bkthomson** » Sun May 13, 2012 12:28 pm

Did this series not cross-over with Magog? Trying to recall if this was just a same telling of a tale but different perspectives?

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:24 pm

Eli Katz wrote:I love the 6th issue. It's one of my favorite single issues of the last few years.

Wow. You are right: That sixth issue...wow. I loved it. So many writers over the years, since the JLI years, have just made Captain Atom so difficult, so complex, when it's really as simple as Winick explained it, for the DC origin.

Even if every single issue after this one sucks, I'm still glad I read No. 6. Captain Atom, his military service, how his powers work...it's been so long since I read even average stories about a character who I've always just liked, for whatever reason.

So. Six down, 18 to go. I've enjoyed them all, for the most part -- I even have a new appreciation for Jaime Reyes, and that was a character whose creation I absolutely did not agree with. I'm not militant on Ted Kord not being able to die, per se, but I never agreed with what was the clear premise of moving Kord aside in order to create a young, diverse character.

Would have been nice for Kord and Reyes to have interacted, then even if you have Kord die later, there would have been some sense of closure in the character that was far more than anyone was given back in Countdown to Infinite Crisis.

by **Eli Katz** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:30 pm

by **chap22** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:31 pm

bkthomson wrote:Did this series not cross-over with Magog? Trying to recall if this was just a same telling of a tale but different perspectives?

Different perspectives. I never read a word of that Magog garbage and I didn't feel like I missed a thing

by **nietoperz** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:38 pm

It wasn't a cross-over, as Magog's book had already been canceled.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Sun May 13, 2012 3:12 pm

So. I've made it through 12 issues, and this is really good stuff. I remember rolling my eyes a while back when Ice was going through changes through the solicits and I was avoiding this series, but I'm OK with how Winick did this -- my bottom line on this stuff is this: I actually own, in very poor condition, the SuperFriends issue where Fire and Ice first appeared, the rest of the Global Guardians.

That stuff was absolutely not in continuity, and even when the JLI was formed, their backgrounds were barely touched upon. So when Greg Rucka made Fire an assassin in Checkmate, I wasn't thrilled, but I went with it, same as I am Winick's adjustment of Ice.

That's more for Herald, because I realize he doesn't agree with many of these things, perhaps all of them. But I do believe that at some point, you have to give a writer some leeway to tell a story that they feel good about. Many, many writers have done it, from Mike Carey filling in Professor Xavier's history in X-Men Legacy, to Frank Miller in Batman: Year One, and so forth. These cases aren't egregious, at least for me...I would prefer heroes always have been heroes, but at the end of the day, they are human beings and likely have some failings. How they overcome them is the biggest thing, and it has been interesting in watching Judd Winick pull these characters together.

So. Twelve down, 12 to go. I'm really happy that I finally broke down and got these; I really enjoyed issue No. 9, where Booster Gold and Max got it on -- that was good stuff.

So. Yeah. I said it. Those of you who "know" me at all know that I've ALWAYS despised the character, the concept, of Booster Gold.

Soooooo....a confession: After the first few issues where he was still irritating the hell out of me, Booster Gold has kinda...grown on me. The world has officially turned upside down. :smt011

Damn you, Judd Winick. Damn you. Nice work. :-D

by **chap22** » Sun May 13, 2012 4:30 pm

Told you so.

keep reading, bro, it just gets better.

Although I still can't believe that 52 and Johns's Booster run didn't change your mind on BG, I'm glad JLGL is finally showing you the light

by **Amoebas** » Sun May 13, 2012 5:19 pm

If I had any complaints at all about JL:NG it would be the JMS Wonder Woman fiasco coming into the book.

Giving credit where it's due, Winnick did a far better job on her than JMS ever did.

by **bkthomson** » Sun May 13, 2012 6:57 pm

nietoperz wrote:It wasn't a cross-over, as Magog's book had already been canceled.

Could never recall where it all fit. Plus I think I was trying to block magog title from my reading memory.

by **Herald** » Sun May 13, 2012 7:40 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:So. I've made it through 12 issues, and this is really good stuff. I remember rolling my eyes a while back when Ice was going through changes through the solicits and I was avoiding this series, but I'm OK with how Winick did this -- my bottom line on this stuff is this: I actually own, in very poor condition, the SuperFriends issue where Fire and Ice first appeared, the rest of the Global Guardians.

That stuff was absolutely not in continuity, and even when the JLI was formed, their backgrounds were barely touched upon. So when Greg Rucka made Fire an assassin in Checkmate, I wasn't thrilled, but I went with it, same as I am Winick's adjustment of Ice.

That's more for Herald, because I realize he doesn't agree with many of these things, perhaps all of them. But I do believe that at some point, you have to give a writer some leeway to tell a story that they feel good about. Many, many writers have done it, from Mike Carey filling in Professor Xavier's history in X-Men Legacy, to Frank Miller in Batman: Year One, and so forth. These cases aren't egregious, at least for me...I would prefer heroes always have been heroes, but at the end of the day, they are human beings and likely have some failings. How they overcome them is the biggest thing, and it has been interesting in watching Judd Winick pull these characters together.

At the end of the day, this is yet another example of the Marvelization of the DCU. Suddenly, EVERYbody has to suddenly gain some artificial, nasty flaw, ESPECIALLY if they were previously renowned for their niceness. It's the same "Make 'em MEAN!" garbage they've been dumping on Superman, Captain Marvel, and the current Justice League. The same garbage many of you say you can't tolerate in THOSE characters, you somehow find acceptable in Ice??!! :smt011

Notice how no one's talking about how the current League is going to "overcome" its oh-so-"human" portrayal; apparently, they've had 5 years to do so, but quite blatantly DIDN'T overcome anything. And let's face it, neither would Winick's Ice, because he was no more worried about her "overcoming" it than Johns is now about the League! Like Johns with the League, Ice's miserable portrayal is just the piss-poor, misbegotten way that Judd sees the character. End of story, LITERALLY.

Moreover, this isn't just "a failing". Ice's REAL history as the REAL princess of a REAL ice kingdom HAS been established and explored in Dan Vado's run of Justice League America. Tora's REAL father, mother, and brother all appeared in it, all of them rulers of said kingdom, and distinctly NON-Gypsies. And when Ice died during the League's Overmaster storyline, Tora's body was taken back there for her funeral. That means THREE different Justice League teams attended it! And, in his solo book, Guy Gardner also visited the kingdom, to pay his respects to Ice and her mother. So NO, I'm not going to let Judd Winick try to tell me that none of this backstory existed, especially when the alternative he offers is this insensitive stereotype nonsense. And neither should you.

The fact is that Winick changed Ice's history into this "Gypsy stereotype" bastardization purely because he can't believe in the existence of a princess of an ice kingdom. Well, frankly, if he can't believe in such a fantastical backstory, he doesn't belong in the fantasy-riddled superhero comics industry. You either believe A Man Can Fly Because He Comes from a Planet Conveniently Named After an Element on the Earth's Periodic Table, and A Woman Can Be the Future Ruler of a Hidden Frozen Kingdom, or you get outta here.