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[The Shadow]

RAW is not good enough for a permanent extra hour. I mean, there are nights where it's a struggle to get past two hours (like with the previous two RAW shows).

I agree to a point... it would give some new people a chance to shine though.

And it would hopefully mean we won't see the same four guys fighting on RAW then Smackdown then again on Smackdown then RAW (see the recent Shamus/Jericho/Del Rio/Orton stuff).

Guys that seem to be buried like Miz and that aren't given much time despite popularity like Ryder or Santino or guys that can plain wrestle but can't seem to get that BIG push like Ziggler might benefit the most.

[misac]

I agree to a point... it would give some new people a chance to shine though.

And it would hopefully mean we won't see the same four guys fighting on RAW then Smackdown then again on Smackdown then RAW (see the recent Shamus/Jericho/Del Rio/Orton stuff).

Guys that seem to be buried like Miz and that aren't given much time despite popularity like Ryder or Santino or guys that can plain wrestle but can't seem to get that BIG push like Ziggler might benefit the most.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. I'm really down on WWE right now. There's also a possibility of them having decent length matches now.

[The Shadow]

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

It's a 'hope springs eternal' sort of belief. LOL

[rdrsfn82]

Greatest. Tag team. Ever.

Fantastic.

[syxxpakk]

Day 138 (yesterday).

I watched ROH's Transform, which is the battle-cry of the Vulture Squad. And they're prominently featured on the cover. That has to be some strong foreshadowing!

The opener is the YRR vs. Delirious/El Generico/Mike Quackenbush. Well. OK, I guess. It makes for a good match, but what a weird combo. It's a good, fun match nonetheless with the YRR going over to set up the program in FIP against Delirious. That's twice they've garnered the big win this weekend.

Next up is the Daniel Puder Challenge. Sweeney offers $1000 to anyone who can last a minute with Puder without submitting. Alex Payne comes out and falls victim pretty quickly. Claudio comes out but gets taken back by security again. RHETT TITUS~! comes out and tries to outsmart Puder by running to the outside. Puder taps him in time, though. This segues into Larry Sweeney announcing Chris Hero and Sara Del Rey as the World Intergender Tag Team champions and THAT segues into a match with Ernie Osiris and Alexa Thatcher. Really it's just a showcase for Sara Del Rey who beats up both Osiris and Thatcher, though at the end Hero MURDERS Thatcher with a roaring elbow.

Next is Roddy Strong vs. Jigsaw. A good match but nothing great. Jigsaw continues to be the biggest jobber in the faction wars. Both are game but they don't really do much and Roddy wins with a weird submission. Man, Jigsaw sure did TRANSFORM.

More faction warfare as Jimmy Jacobs takes on Jack Evans. I don't know if I've ever said this, but Jack Evans is conceivably my least favorite worker in ROH ever. Jimmy starts off cutting a promo but he gets interrupted by Evans. On the flip-side of the Evans-comment, Jacobs might be my favorite ROH promo ever - though he has strong competition from CM Punk and Austin Aries. This match is solid, with Jacobs winning via the End TIme. Huh. I didn't expect that. The Vulture Squad then get destroyed by the AOTF but are eventually saved by the Briscoes. Some mighty fine TRANSFORMING there.

Backstage Steen cuts a horrid promo.

Next up is Austin Aries vs. Claudio Castagnoli. This is more like it. Aries is steal smarting from a series of losses while Castagnoli is trying to build up some momentum. They have a terrific back-and-forth match. Finish comes when Claudio Ricola Bombs Aries, but Aries kicks out only to get Ricola Bombed again for the Claudio-win. That's probably Claudio's biggest win in ROH and perfectly sets him up for a run against Nigel. Aries refuses to shake his hand, interestingly. Claudio isn't done though and offers Daniel Puder $1000 to try and submit him in a minute. Puder fails but Claudio ends up on the wrong side of a beatdown by Sweet n Sour. And then Larry rips him off of the $1000 anyway.

Next is BJ Whitmer/Shane Hagadorn vs. Bobby Fish/Eddie Edwards. See, it should be BJ Whitmer vs. El Generico here, instead, and maybe toss Eddie in that opening six-man. Anyway, this is a glorified squash match to put over the Hangmen 3.

Next is Brent Albright vs. Kevin Steen. This should be interesting. It's a good big-man battle, which you don't see often in ROH. The best part is they go into an ending, but then it turns out there's plenty of match left. It probably went longer than necessary, but it was good fun with Steen gaining revenge with the Package Piledriver. Afterward the Hangmen initiate the beatdown, but El Generico and RED POISON DELIRIOUS~! make the save.

Becky joins the YRR, I think.

Next is Erick Stevens vs. Bryan Danielson. This match is good as well, but it doesn't click into high gear or anything. This is all a part of Stevens' epic quest to be a legitimate champion. The story here is that halfway through the match Danielson gets counted out but Stevens doesn't want it to end there, so the match continues. There's some fun stuff but nothing groundbreaking. Stevens ultimately wins, rather surprisingly. There was a lot of controversy about the decision at the time, as the perception was Stevens didn't deserve to go over Aries/Danielson on the same weekend and he was being "shoved" down the ROH faithful's throat. I disagree, honestly, and I think it was perfect booking as long as you're anywhere else because here, the ROH faithful turned on the decision. It's cool, though, because Stevens would immediately regain that faith the ROH faithful had him before this weekend with one hell of a feud we'll be getting to soon.

The main event is the Briscoes vs. Tyler Black/Necro Butcher in a No DQ match. It ends up being the Briscoes vs. the entire AOTF and Jimmy Jacobs ends up taking Jay out with a senton through a table off a ladder. Jay gets stretchered out leaving Mark to be absolutely demolished by the AOTF. But then Mark unlocks the Matrix in his darkest hour and the Vulture Squad TRANSFORMS to save the day. It becomes Jigsaw/Jack Evans/Mark Briscoe vs. Jimmy Jacobs/Necro Butcher/Tyler Black, although never formally announced weirdly enough. And then it gets even better, becoming the most chaotic brawl in ROH since the ROH vs. CZW war. Tons of insane spots involving guys being thrown into seas of chairs and what not. Another insane spot sees Jigsaw and Mark suplex Necro from in the ring into the CROWD. The finish is Evans hitting a springboard 630 (!) on Jacobs for the big win.

Match of the Day goes to Jimmy Jacobs/Tyler Black/Necro Butcher vs. Jack Evans/Jigsaw/Mark Briscoe.

[Stephen Day]

Greatest. Tag team. Ever.

OK, that is awesome.

[misac]

Day 138 (yesterday).

I watched ROH's Transform, which is the battle-cry of the Vulture Squad. And they're prominently featured on the cover. That has to be some strong foreshadowing!

The opener is the YRR vs. Delirious/El Generico/Mike Quackenbush. Well. OK, I guess. It makes for a good match, but what a weird combo. It's a good, fun match nonetheless with the YRR going over to set up the program in FIP against Delirious. That's twice they've garnered the big win this weekend.

Next up is the Daniel Puder Challenge. Sweeney offers $1000 to anyone who can last a minute with Puder without submitting. Alex Payne comes out and falls victim pretty quickly. Claudio comes out but gets taken back by security again. RHETT TITUS~! comes out and tries to outsmart Puder by running to the outside. Puder taps him in time, though. This segues into Larry Sweeney announcing Chris Hero and Sara Del Rey as the World Intergender Tag Team champions and THAT segues into a match with Ernie Osiris and Alexa Thatcher. Really it's just a showcase for Sara Del Rey who beats up both Osiris and Thatcher, though at the end Hero MURDERS Thatcher with a roaring elbow.

Next is Roddy Strong vs. Jigsaw. A good match but nothing great. Jigsaw continues to be the biggest jobber in the faction wars. Both are game but they don't really do much and Roddy wins with a weird submission. Man, Jigsaw sure did TRANSFORM.

More faction warfare as Jimmy Jacobs takes on Jack Evans. I don't know if I've ever said this, but Jack Evans is conceivably my least favorite worker in ROH ever. Jimmy starts off cutting a promo but he gets interrupted by Evans. On the flip-side of the Evans-comment, Jacobs might be my favorite ROH promo ever - though he has strong competition from CM Punk and Austin Aries. This match is solid, with Jacobs winning via the End TIme. Huh. I didn't expect that. The Vulture Squad then get destroyed by the AOTF but are eventually saved by the Briscoes. Some mighty fine TRANSFORMING there.

Backstage Steen cuts a horrid promo.

Next up is Austin Aries vs. Claudio Castagnoli. This is more like it. Aries is steal smarting from a series of losses while Castagnoli is trying to build up some momentum. They have a terrific back-and-forth match. Finish comes when Claudio Ricola Bombs Aries, but Aries kicks out only to get Ricola Bombed again for the Claudio-win. That's probably Claudio's biggest win in ROH and perfectly sets him up for a run against Nigel. Aries refuses to shake his hand, interestingly. Claudio isn't done though and offers Daniel Puder $1000 to try and submit him in a minute. Puder fails but Claudio ends up on the wrong side of a beatdown by Sweet n Sour. And then Larry rips him off of the $1000 anyway.

Next is BJ Whitmer/Shane Hagadorn vs. Bobby Fish/Eddie Edwards. See, it should be BJ Whitmer vs. El Generico here, instead, and maybe toss Eddie in that opening six-man. Anyway, this is a glorified squash match to put over the Hangmen 3.

Next is Brent Albright vs. Kevin Steen. This should be interesting. It's a good big-man battle, which you don't see often in ROH. The best part is they go into an ending, but then it turns out there's plenty of match left. It probably went longer than necessary, but it was good fun with Steen gaining revenge with the Package Piledriver. Afterward the Hangmen initiate the beatdown, but El Generico and RED POISON DELIRIOUS~! make the save.

Becky joins the YRR, I think.

Next is Erick Stevens vs. Bryan Danielson. This match is good as well, but it doesn't click into high gear or anything. This is all a part of Stevens' epic quest to be a legitimate champion. The story here is that halfway through the match Danielson gets counted out but Stevens doesn't want it to end there, so the match continues. There's some fun stuff but nothing groundbreaking. Stevens ultimately wins, rather surprisingly. There was a lot of controversy about the decision at the time, as the perception was Stevens didn't deserve to go over Aries/Danielson on the same weekend and he was being "shoved" down the ROH faithful's throat. I disagree, honestly, and I think it was perfect booking as long as you're anywhere else because here, the ROH faithful turned on the decision. It's cool, though, because Stevens would immediately regain that faith the ROH faithful had him before this weekend with one hell of a feud we'll be getting to soon.

The main event is the Briscoes vs. Tyler Black/Necro Butcher in a No DQ match. It ends up being the Briscoes vs. the entire AOTF and Jimmy Jacobs ends up taking Jay out with a senton through a table off a ladder. Jay gets stretchered out leaving Mark to be absolutely demolished by the AOTF. But then Mark unlocks the Matrix in his darkest hour and the Vulture Squad TRANSFORMS to save the day. It becomes Jigsaw/Jack Evans/Mark Briscoe vs. Jimmy Jacobs/Necro Butcher/Tyler Black, although never formally announced weirdly enough. And then it gets even better, becoming the most chaotic brawl in ROH since the ROH vs. CZW war. Tons of insane spots involving guys being thrown into seas of chairs and what not. Another insane spot sees Jigsaw and Mark suplex Necro from in the ring into the CROWD. The finish is Evans hitting a springboard 630 (!) on Jacobs for the big win.

Match of the Day goes to Jimmy Jacobs/Tyler Black/Necro Butcher vs. Jack Evans/Jigsaw/Mark Briscoe.

Transform. What a ridiculous name.

[Lord Simian]

WHY!?

"My daughter is what this diva division needs, brother! These girls we got now, yeah, maybe they can wrestle, but nobody cares about that! Girls aren't in this business to wrestle, nobody wants to see that, they want to see a woman escorting a champion like The Hulkster, brother. I should win the belt again, that'll REALLY put over the diva division. My daughter's hotter than any of these women, dude. Didn't you see that picture of her in her bikini? Even The Hulkster couldn't keep his hands off, and she's my daughter, brother. She's had two or three CD's that were the biggest hits the music industry has ever seen, and THAT'S why she's the obvious and only choice for the new Executive over the diva division, brother.

What? What the hell is a knockout? A knockout is how you lose in boxing! Nobody likes women's boxing, dude. No, they're divas now. That's the first time anyone's ever called them divas, and it's gonna be the next big thing. Whatcha gonna do when The Hulkster, Hulk's little girl, and the new diva division RUN WILD ON YOU?!?!"

[fieldy snuts]

Unless Brooke becomes a heel manager I can't imagine her serving any purpose.

[TROY]

Unless Brooke becomes a heel manager I can't imagine her serving any purpose.

She'll suck at no matter what she does, and TNA will continue to be shitty until Hogan and Bischoff and Dixie Carter no longer have anything to do with it.

Do you guys read the huge fuck up they had this past week at the tapings?

Well here it is if you didn't know about it:

On last nights episode if you had watched it, they had a series of matches that were to set up a Fatal 4 Way match for the title next week on Impact. On next weeks episode the 4 winners of last nights matches would wrestle in the 4-Way and then later that same night would get their shot at Roode for the belt. Well last nights show went down well as far as those matches were concerned but then when they taped next weeks show, there was no Fatal 4-Way match, Hogan just comes out and says AJ Styles is going to be wrestling Roode for the title in the main event of that show, with no explanation of why there was not gonna be the announced Fatal 4 Way match AJ ends up loosing of course, Roode celebrates until Hogan comes out and names Roode's next challenger for the title...Sting, who has not been on TV in a couple months So fucking stupid.

[TROY]

Damien Sandown is amazing on Smackdown, a throwback to some classic heel characters that wrestling has sorely missed.

[syxxpakk]

Day 139.

Today I watched ROH on SBG.

The opener was WGTT vs. D-Line. D-Line is a tag team from the Baltimore area (I guess) composed of Black Ice and Bodysnatcher. Yep. Neither actually look like a wrestler. That said, they're insanely over with the crowd so there's that. The match wasn't that good and played out like a standard RAW match, hinting at the possibility of Jim Cornette's "less is more approach" possibly seeping into ROH. WGTT went over, of course.

Next was a CHIKARA six-man: Ophidian/Los Ice Creams vs. the Colony. This was much fun, but the crowd didn't seem to be in to it weirdly. It did stumble a bit in the beginning, but by the end they were tearing it up. The Colony won using the Ant Hill on Ophidian.

Next was Jay Lethal vs. Ricky Reyes. I always get a little down when these wrestlers who have a storied history in ROH, in this case Ricky Reyes at one point being one-half of one of the longest reigning tag team champions in ROH history, are kind of ignored. It was referenced he had history, but I just don't see how you don't mention being a former tag champion. It was a squash anyway so whatever. I'm not his biggest fan, but he should be used in better ways.

Inside ROH set the stage for next week's double main event: the Young Bucks vs. ANX and Mike Bennett vs. Eddie Edwards. Eddie gave a good enough promo, but ANX and Bennett were the stars here. The Bucks gave their usual bad promo, but they ooze such douchbaggery that it's almost forgivable. I bet people still think of them as Hardy-clones, despite being anything but.

In the main event it was Davey Richards vs. Rhino in a Proving Grounds match. This was a hell of a display actually. In fact the only negative thing I can think of regarding the match is how it exposed just how small Davey is. Watching the match you would have thought Rhino was Sid Vicious the way he towered over Davey, but we all know Rhino is definitely no Sid Vicious! Anyway, the action was great with both men bringing their A-Game. Hell, this could have been a DVD main event. The finish was superb, as well, with Davey countering the Gore with a sunset flip for the pin. It doesn't seem like much, but when you consider how fast Rhino moves when doing the Gore... Well, it becomes infinitely more impressive.

Match of the Day goes to Davey Richards vs. Rhino.

[GLX]

Damien Sandown is amazing on Smackdown, a throwback to some classic heel characters that wrestling has sorely missed.

I'm a fan of the guy, but he shouldn't have been rocking the pink. Some navy blue or a "regal" wrestling suit would be a better fit for him.

[doombug]

Greatest. Tag team. Ever.

awesome!

[TROY]

I'm a fan of the guy, but he shouldn't have been rocking the pink. Some navy blue or a "regal" wrestling suit would be a better fit for him.

I like the pink and purple makes me think of classic heels like Macho Man, and Sandow is definitely a throwback to that generation.