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[holtom2000]

Gay Porn.

This place has warped my thinking to the point that that is my first and so far only response.

That and pancakes.

Omg I'm literally laughing out loud. Well done

[bkthomson]

Really I think the combination of the two not in a gay porn way but a team up or versus.

[Cat-Scratch]

I am guessing there is equal hate for both bat characters here on Outhouse?

No, just that with this place, it'll always lead back to gay porn or pancakes.

Maybe bacon.

Possibly beer.





Personally, I'm the same for both characters. Neither hate them or love them. Both are kind of underwhelming in generating a lot of like. They're crazy bastards, but not entertainingly so, such as with Deadpool. Also, both have been annoying, but not in a way to generate any long term hate.

[ThatGuyRoman]

If JVP turns up in Red Hood and the Outsides ... over/under on 6 panels before he bangs Starfire?

[draco x]

If JVP turns up in Red Hood and the Outsides ... over/under on 6 panels before he bangs Starfire?

Who hasn't banged Starfire by now? She is basically the Kim Kardashian of the DC Universe.

[draco x]

No, just that with this place, it'll always lead back to gay porn or pancakes.

Maybe bacon.

Possibly beer.





Personally, I'm the same for both characters. Neither hate them or love them. Both are kind of underwhelming in generating a lot of like. They're crazy bastards, but not entertainingly so, such as with Deadpool. Also, both have been annoying, but not in a way to generate any long term hate.

I think the issue with both of them stems from the fact that they have had shitty writing as DC doesn't really know what to do with either of them. So as a result, most of the writers stick them with being psycho douchebags that the Bat Family ends up punching through a wall. If they had a good track record with the writers, people would realize how much potential both could have.

[Cat-Scratch]

Who hasn't banged Starfire by now? She is basically the Kim Kardashian of the DC Universe.

She is now.

Thank you Didio...

[Victorian Squid]

At least one of them would likely be outed as gay.

Probably the one named Jean Paul if history serves.

[Herald]

She is now.

This.

Some people don't realize that these characters existed pre-DiDio, and they were better-written back then.

[Herald]

As for the characters in question, Valley is a decent character.
I don't care one bit about Jason Todd, post-resurrection.
Jean-Paul should trash Jason and leave him for the rats.

[Cat-Scratch]

I think the issue with both of them stems from the fact that they have had shitty writing as DC doesn't really know what to do with either of them. So as a result, most of the writers stick them with being psycho douchebags that the Bat Family ends up punching through a wall. If they had a good track record with the writers, people would realize how much potential both could have.

I think with Jean Paul it was always going to be limited. You could try a Jason Bourne rif with him, but it would never hold. At the heart of it, he's a villain, not a hero. He's just an enforcer/assassin. He's a broken character from the get go. The readership will always be split on him being a broken hero or a broken villain, but he'd always be broken to them.

Jason on the other hand was an almost Damien Wayne decades before there was a Damian Wayne. He's been rendered redundant. That will always drag him down. Having it that he went south due to a little bit of brain damage plus Lazerus Pit crazies is not enough to make him that viable as the total preemptive/killthemall sort of Batman type. He'll always be contrast to Dick, Tim and very much so to Damien. A retcon could fix this, but I doubt it would be accepted by most readers as it would come off as it is, a forced change to make it easier to use the character that way.

That and putting both Jean and Jason in the same room is like putting two pissed off territorial cats. They'd kill each other and succeed. The only nastier thing would be to toss in Damien and The Joker. One very big bloody mess.

Yes, bad writing can do wonders to drag a character down.

[Herald]

I think with Jean Paul it was always going to be limited. You could try a Jason Bourne rif with him, but it would never hold. At the heart of it, he's a villain, not a hero.

Actually, he's an anti-hero.

The original Az-Bats storyline was created as a smack to the faces of fans who begged DC to make Batman into Bat-Punisher, just another murder machine. The idiotic notion that the Darker and Edgier you make a character, the better was just as strong in the fanbase then as it is now. The only difference is that those fans weren't in charge of the characters then as they are now.

[achilles]

Gay Porn.

This place has warped my thinking to the point that that is my first and so far only response.

That and pancakes.

I'll never look at maple syrup in the same way.

So that's why you Canadians use it for...

[achilles]

Ok, let me rephrase the question: Who is more hated by the Bat-fans? Jean Paul or Jason?

Dan Didio.

[Doc Jon]

I think with Jean Paul it was always going to be limited. You could try a Jason Bourne rif with him, but it would never hold. At the heart of it, he's a villain, not a hero. He's just an enforcer/assassin. He's a broken character from the get go. The readership will always be split on him being a broken hero or a broken villain, but he'd always be broken to them.

Jason on the other hand was an almost Damien Wayne decades before there was a Damian Wayne. He's been rendered redundant. That will always drag him down. Having it that he went south due to a little bit of brain damage plus Lazerus Pit crazies is not enough to make him that viable as the total preemptive/killthemall sort of Batman type. He'll always be contrast to Dick, Tim and very much so to Damien. A retcon could fix this, but I doubt it would be accepted by most readers as it would come off as it is, a forced change to make it easier to use the character that way.

That and putting both Jean and Jason in the same room is like putting two pissed off territorial cats. They'd kill each other and succeed. The only nastier thing would be to toss in Damien and The Joker. One very big bloody mess.

Yes, bad writing can do wonders to drag a character down.

I kind of have to disagree about JPV. Broken characters are what DC lacks. Too many of their characters are archetypal heroes. Breaking them out of those molds like they are trying to do with SUperman or Captain Marvel doesn't work.

Having characters around like JPV is something DC could use rather trying to force Superman into being dark and edgy...