Jubilee wrote:The idea that comics shouldn't by cynical or grim and gritty is completely alien to me.
Rape, destruction, mutilation is a plot device. They've been used across multiple genres, for multiple reasons numerous times. To completely say "superhero comics should be fun" and remove these elements completely is something that limits them, and keeps them being a niche product. I can't believe someone who thinks like that has managed to get himself so high up in the comics industry.
Rape, mutilation and massive destruction are WEAK plot devices, again, for mainstream comic books.
Those are every bit as limiting a method of storytelling as anything you'll find. Because they leave you NO OUT WHATSOEVER.
Once you go to that toolbox, you have nowhere left to go with characters. There's nothing left to do with them that makes sense. Even certain murders close the door to anything being done with a character, resulting in degrading storylines that are far worse than you seem to want to admit.
Frank Miller's Daredevil run was great. Bullseye vs. Elektra; Elektra dies. Bulleye vs. Daredevil; Bullseye paralyzed. And if it had ended there for two of those three characters, it was easily one of the single-best achievements a comics creator could have had.
But...Miller himself brought back Elektra. Bullseye got rehabilitation, metal bone implants, got himself back in the mix.
So it becomes a trope: In Daredevil books, his girlfriend gets effed up. Bad guy dies; the Hand resurrects them. Bullseye kills another of his former girlfriends. Elektra flounders aimlessly, because there's nothing left for the character to do. Why? "Morally ambiguous assassin who everybody knows isn't as good as Bullseye" leaves you nowhere else to go, that's why.
Until finally, there's nothing left. You wind up with Shadowland.
Grim-and-gritty without consequence takes you nowhere but ridiculous status quo.
I think, in Daredevil's history, he's had at least two girlfriends killed, one driven insane, one commit suicide, and one be a recurring supervillain.
See, that's just dumb. You have so clearly focused on making the character "grim," instead you've made his life "ridiculous."
Daredevil should fight crime, and he should have wins and losses. But the losses have to make sense, unless you're willing to take the character off the board. He's not bulletproof. He's not invulnerable. So by definition, you have already made allowances for him to be relatable in a comic book.
When you have a Dark Ninja Tower erected in New York, guess what you've done? You've acknowledged that the character has been broken beyond repair, because of the stories where you kept pushing past the boundary of what makes any kind of sense.
Hey, look! Wilson Fisk is the Kingpin of Crime again! For the 17th time!