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[Victorian Squid]

Yeah yeah, even indie books are too mainstream for you.

that wasn't really what I meant, but I thought we were talking about superheroes in general.

Once you change the question to what should Disney and Warner deem acceptable while they kill their own cash cows, I just don't give a shit.

[Jubilee]

As far as the writers want them to go.

[Lord Simian]

Has a villain been revealed to be a paedophile yet?

That's the final step, I can't imagine it's far away.

Wasn't Toyman?

Gotcha.

Wasn't there a pedo in the first arc of Spawn? Drove an ice cream truck?

Billy Kincaid, yes.

[PDH]

I think the important thing is that they have coherent, plausible motivations. I don't like, 'I would kill you but it wouldn't be sporting/I need you alive for bullshit reasons' etc. stuff. Just shoot them, for crap's sake.

[BubbaKanoosh]

Yeah, Toyman. I totally forgot but that guy.

[Jubilee]

I think the important thing is that they have coherent, plausible motivations. I don't like, 'I would kill you but it wouldn't be sporting/I need you alive for bullshit reasons' etc. stuff. Just shoot them, for crap's sake.

Like when instead of shooting Captain America, Red Skull shot Cap with a weapon which made him live out his life again but put him into a death like state.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

[Keb]

Raping and killing should be the norm in PG books.

I think there was a pedo-villain or two in Powers and Top 10.

[BubbaKanoosh]

Like when instead of shooting Captain America, Red Skull shot Cap with a weapon which made him live out his life again but put him into a death like state.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

Marvel brain trust and editorial.

[PDH]

Like when instead of shooting Captain America, Red Skull shot Cap with a weapon which made him live out his life again but put him into a death like state.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

Why didn't he just use a normal gun?

I think the Austin Powers parody of that sort of thing should have been the last word on it, really.

[Food Eater lad]

My problem with Identity Crisis was not the rape, it was the choice of villain. I accept that bad guys sometimes do bad things. And Mind Wipes have been a staple of comics since X Men first had Xavier change people's perceptions, or Doctor Strange's illusions ( which are all mind wipes to an extent)

But to make a shocking comic ( again I have no problem with) with such a lousy conclusion, Identity Crisis, and Cry For Justice) THAT is the problem.

[Herald]

In the last 20+ years, comics have matured a bit.

It's largely been an ADOLESCENT'S idea of maturity, not TRUE maturity.

Throwing a poorly-handled rape into a poorly-written "mystery story" doesn't make it mature; that's just making it Grimdark.

[BubbaKanoosh]

My problem with Identity Crisis was not the rape, it was the choice of villain. I accept that bad guys sometimes do bad things. And Mind Wipes have been a staple of comics since X Men first had Xavier change people's perceptions, or Doctor Strange's illusions ( which are all mind wipes to an extent)

But to make a shocking comic ( again I have no problem with) with such a lousy conclusion, Identity Crisis, and Cry For Justice) THAT is the problem.

That was my issue too, as I said in the other thread, I read it a year after it was released. And up til the last sh I ad no problem with it. I would be even more passed if I waited 7 montHs for that.

[Herald]

I think the important thing is that they have coherent, plausible motivations. I don't like, 'I would kill you but it wouldn't be sporting/I need you alive for bullshit reasons' etc. stuff. Just shoot them, for crap's sake.

Why Don't You Just Shoot Him?

[BubbaKanoosh]

It's largely been an ADOLESCENT'S idea of maturity, not TRUE maturity.

Throwing a poorly-handled rape into a poorly-written "mystery story" doesn't make it mature; that's just making it Grimdark.

So, you are saying rape in comics is if it was handled properly by implying this one was poorly handled.

[Amoebas]

Has everyone forgotten Skip Westcott?

He may not be a SUPER-villain, but he's still a villain.