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[dairydead]

The X-Men.
They actually have experience dealing with the Phoenix Force; Cap does not.

Are you purposefully ignoring the fact that Wolverine has just as much, if not more experience with the Phoenix force?

As if knowing someone who played host to the force actually matters in this situation, which it doesn't.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Definitely the X-Men. Only Authoritarian nazis who hate freedom and liberty would side with the Avengers - which is why I'm not surprised so many here do.

[TROY]

So if he were on the X-men for whatever reason, you'd be on that side?

To answer your question I will quote Dragavons response because he made it clear as to why I would still side with the Avengers even if Thor were for to some reason be on the X-Men's side.

Don't know. Several things are a factor here. One is obviously Cap and Spidey.

The second one is I honestly believe Cyclops has become a villain. It's not that his team has Magneto on it. It's not that his team has Namor on it. It's not that his team has Juggernaut on it. It's the fact that all these villains are on there together. The only non-villain on that team is Storm.

Another fact is that Cyclop's plan is stupid. He's just hoping that Hope can hold it together long enough to fix the problem caused by the Scarlet Witch. Cap's plan is marginally more sensible of getting Hope off planet so the Phoenix will follow.

Another fact is yes Cyclops was told about the future by Cable, that the Avengers were wrong. Aside from the fact that Cable has a history of fucking up the future and not fixing it, that story is written by Loeb so obviously it's stupid.

Another is that I don't like Cable. He's an unnecessarily complicated character created by Liefeld and made worse by subsequent writers. The only one who could make him tolerable was Nicieza.

Really if all these factors didn't exist and then Cap and Spidey were on Cyclop's side, I'd probably side with the X-Men because there's something about the concept of them fighting for the people who hate them is inherently noble.

But given all that has actually happened, there's no way I can support the X-Men in the sheer stupidity of hoping the Phoenix solves the mutant birth problem and doesn't cause some major problem

Of course what I think will happen will be Hope will get the Phoenix, say "No More Avengers', we will temporarily see a universe truly fucked because there are no Avengers, the X-Men will reluctantly fix the problem causing the world to revert back to normal and then Hope and the Phoenix will go off into the cosmos with a dozen mutant births happening at that very moment.

Like he said if Thor, Spidey, or Cap were to join the X-Men's side I think it would be a completely set of circumstances and not just Cyclop's insane beliefs at the moment. There would be more of a sense of nobility about the whole thing. I don't get that right now from Cyclops, I just get the "I'm being a douche that doesn't won't to listen to reason from anyone" vibe from him right now.

[Herald]

Are you purposefully ignoring the fact that Wolverine has just as much, if not more experience with the Phoenix force? As if knowing someone who played host to the force actually matters in this situation, which it doesn't.

Is Wolverine still with the Avengers??
I heard he was dropped from the team... several thousand feet above sea level.

Really don't think Cap is getting any more coaching from Logan/Jimmy/whatever his name is this week...

[ReturnoftheMack]

Is Wolverine still with the Avengers??
I heard he was dropped from the team... several thousand feet above sea level.
Really don't think Cap is getting any more coaching from Logan/Jimmy/whatever his name is this week...

You obviously didn't read the last issue.

[ReturnoftheMack]

And the whole thing about the Avengers not being heroic doesn't make sense when Cyclops is only looking out for his race and not everybody else.

[Herald]

You obviously didn't read the last issue.

Nope. What happened?? Did Cap and Jimbo kiss and make up??
(Given recent events in comics, yes, I mean literally. )

[alaska1125]

And the whole thing about the Avengers not being heroic doesn't make sense when Cyclops is only looking out for his race and not everybody else.

Yes. This.

[alaska1125]

I'm, the poll clearly sys the Avengers are in the wrong.

The poll is faulty. I can't even vote because it would consider mine incorrect. I get the "ha ha", but it isn't, in fact, a poll...it's more of a "do you support the right choice or the wrong one" question.

[BubbaKanoosh]

Yeah, the poll is a litte silly but in all seriousness... Look at it? A 50-50 split.

That's really cool.

[alaska1125]

Yeah, the poll is a litte silly but in all seriousness... Look at it? A 50-50 split.

That's really cool.

That is cool. I just can't see the results as I refuse to vote. Because, you know, I take these things super seriously...

[BubbaKanoosh]

You can click the "view results" button.

[BubbaKanoosh]

To answer your question I will quote Dragavons response because he made it clear as to why I would still side with the Avengers even if Thor were for to some reason be on the X-Men's side.



Like he said if Thor, Spidey, or Cap were to join the X-Men's side I think it would be a completely set of circumstances and not just Cyclop's insane beliefs at the moment. There would be more of a sense of nobility about the whole thing. I don't get that right now from Cyclops, I just get the "I'm being a douche that doesn't won't to listen to reason from anyone" vibe from him right now.

You hate Cable?

[Dragavon]

You hate Cable?

For the record I don't hate Cable. I only think one writer has made him work. Deadpool is in the same category. Waid, Nicieza & Kelly were the only writers who did something decent with Deadpool.

[BubbaKanoosh]

He is good in X-Force