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[LobsterJ]

there is no evidence to suggest that he brandished a gun at the kid. Unless Zimmerman admited to it.

There is also no evidence to suggest Martin beat up a bus driver. We are all kind of just making shit up here.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

That's what boggles my mind the most. There is no issue, misguided youth thinks street cred is worth victimizing others over, but picked the wrong victim.

"If it bleeds it leads" isn't good enough anymore, now it's fire up a race war to make the evening news.

He chose Zimmerman at random from all the other innocent people stalking him through the neighborhood.

[LobsterJ]

He brandished a gun at him? From what I understand the gun was holstered until Zimmerman was on the ground.

I'm sure Zimmerman claims that. I don't find people being charged with murder to be the most credible regarding the circumstances of that murder.

Zimmerman brandishing the gun at Martin certainly seems the most logical chain of events considering what happened.

[habitual]

He brandished a gun at him? From what I understand the gun was holstered until Zimmerman was on the ground.

Right, because the guy that's already lied to the court is the version you want to go with...

Hab

[Thunderstorm]

Right, because the guy that's already lied to the court is the version you want to go with...

Hab

I'm basing a lot of this on the fact that Martin was gone by the end of the 911 call. And common sense. If someone has a gun pointed at you, most people tend to not punch them in the face and tackle them. Though you guys may be right and Trayvon was psychotic. I can buy that too I guess.

[e_galston]

I'm basing a lot of this on the fact that Martin was gone by the end of the 911 call. And common sense. If someone has a gun pointed at you, most people tend to not punch them in the face and tackle them. Though you guys may be right and Trayvon was psychotic. I can buy that too I guess.

Well he was hopped up on weed... So obviously he was just itching for a fight..

[Thunderstorm]

Well he was hopped up on weed... So obviously he was just itching for a fight..

Weed wouldn't do that, but the drug he was talking about on his Twitter would.

[e_galston]

Weed wouldn't do that, but the drug he was talking about on his Twitter would.

weed wouldn't no, but that was what he was on that night.

[syxxpakk]

Are you really telling me that if someone was on top of you, attempting to beat you to death, you wouldn't fight back or try to defend yourself?

I'm telling you that after I reported Martin to the appropriate authorities, I wouldn't have John Wayned my way into killing him.

[Eli Katz]

I'm basing a lot of this on the fact that Martin was gone by the end of the 911 call. And common sense. If someone has a gun pointed at you, most people tend to not punch them in the face and tackle them. Though you guys may be right and Trayvon was psychotic. I can buy that too I guess.

Zimmerman may have been going for his gun after a verbal confrontation. And Martin may have punched him to prevent the guy from pulling his gun.

But we'll never know what actually happened. The physical evidence does not provide a full story.

[Thunderstorm]

Zimmerman may have been going for his gun after a verbal confrontation. And Martin may have punched him to prevent the guy from pulling his gun.

But we'll never know what actually happened. The physical evidence does not provide a full story.

Well that is absolutely true.

[Ntikrst]

He chose Zimmerman at random from all the other innocent people stalking him through the neighborhood.

I guess Martin never played "Free Air" growing up. Being under suspicion by community watch and followed isn't grounds for assault in my country, not sure how it works in the US.

Pride goes before destruction, Martin chose to resolve the issue with violence by attacking Zimmerman. If Martin just swallowed his pride and walked away or submitted to Zimmerman's questions, he'd be alive today. Even if he attacked Zimmerman after the gun was drawn, Martin forced Zimmerman's hand, now he has to shoot him before Martin gets a hold of the weapon.

If I was part of community watch and the police told me to stop following a suspect, I would disregard that order too. Police don't prevent crimes, they clean up the scene after the fact and that's exactly what happened here. If the cops were on top of things, why weren't they in a position to intervene in the attack? Zimmerman wasn't to confident in response time or he would have obeyed the order, Twin Lakes has quite a history, things were so bad nobody else wanted to get involved with community watch.

[Ntikrst]

Zimmerman may have been going for his gun after a verbal confrontation. And Martin may have punched him to prevent the guy from pulling his gun.

But we'll never know what actually happened. The physical evidence does not provide a full story.

Sure it does, there's plenty of negative space to base an image off of.

-Martin and Zimmerman did not enter into consensual assault.
-Zimmerman only received defensive wounds while Martin only received offensive wounds.
-Zimmerman's back was wet and stained with grass.
-Martin was shot in the chest at close range.
-Martin was 5'11" to Zimmerman's 5'7"-5'8".

So we can rule out Zimmerman executing this kid on the spot, the two didn't get into a fight that escalated into gunplay, and Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in the back while he fled the scene.

Zimmerman confronted Martin and questioned his presence in the neighbourhood. One of two things happened, Martin got offended at the accusation and attacked Zimmerman before he drew a gun, or after he drew down. Either way, Zimmerman was on his back, getting pummelled in the head by Martin. At close range, after the battery occurred, Zimmerman fired his one and only shot into Martin's chest travelling front to back, with no exit wound. It's less likely that Martin attacked an armed man, and that armed man didn't fire more than one round.

It's a tragic case of wrong place wrong time, and Martin's poor judgement call to attack his accuser. Being wrongly accused sucks but it's no justification for assault, Martin fucked up and payed the ultimate price.

[habitual]

I'm basing a lot of this on the fact that Martin was gone by the end of the 911 call. And common sense. If someone has a gun pointed at you, most people tend to not punch them in the face and tackle them. Though you guys may be right and Trayvon was psychotic. I can buy that too I guess.

Who the hell said he was psychotic?

That's a bit ridiculous.

Hab

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Sure it does, there's plenty of negative space to base an image off of.

-Martin and Zimmerman did not enter into consensual assault.
-Zimmerman only received defensive wounds while Martin only received offensive wounds.
-Zimmerman's back was wet and stained with grass.
-Martin was shot in the chest at close range.
-Martin was 5'11" to Zimmerman's 5'7"-5'8".

So we can rule out Zimmerman executing this kid on the spot, the two didn't get into a fight that escalated into gunplay, and Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin in the back while he fled the scene.

Zimmerman confronted Martin and questioned his presence in the neighbourhood. One of two things happened, Martin got offended at the accusation and attacked Zimmerman before he drew a gun, or after he drew down. Either way, Zimmerman was on his back, getting pummelled in the head by Martin. At close range, after the battery occurred, Zimmerman fired his one and only shot into Martin's chest travelling front to back, with no exit wound. It's less likely that Martin attacked an armed man, and that armed man didn't fire more than one round.

It's a tragic case of wrong place wrong time, and Martin's poor judgement call to attack his accuser. Being wrongly accused sucks but it's no justification for assault, Martin fucked up and payed the ultimate price.

Or Martin felt threatened because a large man was following him in the dark, and felt he had to defend himself.