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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:11 pm

I'm not so sure I would call it animation. I think the concept of having panels appear on screen or change with a click is not bad, but it is as you say gimmicky when done in such a clunky way. There's nothing to be gained from it that you couldn't get from your own imagination while reading a static page, so you're not enhancing the reading experience from a story perspective. That makes it dangerously unnecessary, possibly distracting, and certainly gimmicky.

However, IF it were done very well and worked well on devices so as to make the reading experience intuitive, then I think itcould enhance the overall experience. As presented here, it is simply an "oh look at that, isn't that neat" kind of thing that does more to pull you out of the story than draw you in. In other words, it's not enhancing the story (and I don't think that sort of thing ever will), so it should enhance the usability of the platform to make it more viable. Otherwise, what's the point? Parlor tricks.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:21 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:I'm not so sure I would call it animation. I think the concept of having panels appear on screen or change with a click is not bad, but it is as you say gimmicky when done in such a clunky way. There's nothing to be gained from it that you couldn't get from your own imagination while reading a static page, so you're not enhancing the reading experience from a story perspective. That makes it dangerously unnecessary, possibly distracting, and certainly gimmicky.

However, IF it were done very well and worked well on devices so as to make the reading experience intuitive, then I think itcould enhance the overall experience. As presented here, it is simply an "oh look at that, isn't that neat" kind of thing that does more to pull you out of the story than draw you in. In other words, it's not enhancing the story (and I don't think that sort of thing ever will), so it should enhance the usability of the platform to make it more viable. Otherwise, what's the point? Parlor tricks.


It seems like we are in agreement there. But I don't think I called it animation in my review did I? I joked about it being animation done 1/10th of the way the other day, I think, but by that I meant this isn't really animated at all.

As far as digital media experiences go, it's vastly inferior to animation or any number of other things one can do online because as you say the imagination (and pacing of a skilled writer) is superior to what this does--was what I was saying in my review. If it isn't significantly enhanced by the new medium the technology creates (the way animation has been enhanced by technology), it can't truly be innovative.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:24 pm

McDarkseid wrote:
It seems like we are in agreement there. But I don't think I called it animation in my review did I? I joked about it being animation done 1/10th of the way the other day, I think, but by that I meant this isn't really animated at all.

As far as digital media experiences go, it's vastly inferior to animation or any number of other things one can do online because as you say the imagination (and pacing of a skilled writer) is superior to what this does--was what I was saying in my review. If it isn't significantly enhanced by the new medium the technology provides (the way animation has been enhanced by technology), it can't truly be innovative.


Well you said motion comics and contrasted it with real animation. But I agree and I don't think we need innovation in the way stories are told. I think we do need it in the way the content is delivered on these devices.
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Eli Katz

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Postby Eli Katz » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:40 pm

Holy Christ...
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:01 pm

Holey crust?

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Stephen Day

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Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:20 pm

Eli Katz wrote:Holy Christ...


If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, then I agree, Jude and Squid are way, way, way over thinking this.

If that wasn't what you were thinking, then nevermind, move along.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:33 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, then I agree, Jude and Squid are way, way, way over
thinking this.

If that wasn't what you were thinking, then nevermind, move along.



Not sure how it's overthinking. Something like this is billed as the future of comics, it should be innovative. At the very least it should match current technology.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:42 pm

I didn't think this format had much to offer, and don't like the experience of reading webcomics. As much as I like Freakangels, for example, I hated the experience of reading it online and wait to buy the trades to read it in the medium I'm happy with.
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Eli Katz

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Postby Eli Katz » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Stephen Day wrote:
If you're thinking what I think you're thinking, then I agree, Jude and Squid are way, way, way over
thinking this.

If that wasn't what you were thinking, then nevermind, move along.

I'm thinking what you're thinking.
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Windom URL

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Postby Windom URL » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:47 pm

The latest installment was purple and flat.

/underthunk'd
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Stephen Day

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Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:48 pm

Eli Katz wrote:I'm thinking what you're thinking.


I thought you were. :-D
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Stephen Day

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Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:53 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:

Not sure how it's overthinking. Something like this is billed as the future of comics, it should be innovative. At the very least it should match current technology.


Innovation doesn't always match the current technological level though. I think we can both agree that comics are a bit behind the bell curve when it comes to technology. Wether something is innovative or not depends on what is being done in that particular medium being discussed. How many others are doing stuff like we saw in Insufferable? I'd say not many, and in that way I'd argue that it is innovative for more mainstream comics.
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S.F. Jude Terror

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Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:53 pm

I actually enjoy reading comics on my tablet, just not this particular one. If they're not going to design for the mobile screen (and I think they should), then I'd rather just have full pages that I can control myself with a full featured reader.

For what it's worth, I think comiXology's reader does a good job, I just don't like their rent a license to view the content model.
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Postby Windom URL » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:06 pm

If you just want to talk about the story, I talked about the story too. It isn't something I'd buy monthly in print, or that I'd buy a collected edition of. It is very typical Mark Waid, so if you like his stuff you'll like this.
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Stephen Day

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Postby Stephen Day » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:09 pm

McDarkseid wrote:If you just want to talk about the story, I talked about the story too. It isn't something I'd buy monthly in print, or that I'd buy a collected edition of. It is very typical Mark Waid, so if you like his stuff you'll like this.


I like Waid, so I liked this story.

That was a fair point on your part, and one I didn't think you were overthinking.

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