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by **chap22** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:38 pm

also, Wingman is not Wally West.

by **Juan Cena** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:58 pm

chap22 wrote:also, Wingman is not Wally West.

Then who the f**k is it, Chappy?

by **chap22** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:09 pm

i don't know, and i honestly don't care. but it ain't Wally.

by **Juan Cena** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:17 pm

chap22 wrote:i don't know, and i honestly don't care. but it ain't Wally.

There may be one or two other suspect I have other than Wally, and that's Black Lightning and Metamorpho who both know Batman is Bruce Wayne. But Wally's someone Morrrison has written before (in JLA and Flash), so he's still my #1 suspect.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:48 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
Like putting a $500 million hit on your own kid?

I'd say her extreme behavior does have more to do with manipulation behind the scenes than it does her "concern" for Damian.

Or maybe a yellow bug has possessed her for all we know.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:53 pm

chap22 wrote:she also hasn't been a daughter her whole life, but now she's a mom. trust me, that's a wholly different dynamic and brings out a WHOLE different level of danger and deadliness in a woman. fighting for her daddy is one thing...fighting for Damian is something totally different.

I have no problem with Talia going out on her own and doing her thing as when she joined the Secret Society Of Supervillains during Infinite Crisis and working with Lex Luthor in the late 90's but the turn Morrisson has taken with her in Batman Inc is just over-the-top and cartoonish now. Talia at her worst was morally ambigous and deadly but now she is just a moustache-twirling female version of Lex Luthor. I prefered the Talia that was bad with some shades of grey rather than the psycho bitch she is now.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:57 pm

chap22 wrote:because you've never had a kid. parental (and especially maternal) instinct will cause you to do some extreme shit.

Like creating a criminal organization out of nowhere and turning into a James Bond villain? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Talia give Damian to Bruce to raise some years ago? While I understood they had a falling out over their son and Damian turned his back on her, this seems so extreme and forced. I personally would have found it more plausible if Simon Hurt or even Jezebel Jet had been the head of Leviathan instead of Talia.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:59 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:

only if you choose to care.

Correction: If most of the fans choose to care and get fed up. Didio's incompetence has alienated the DC fans on so many occassions so don't be surprised if he screws things up again somewhere down the line.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:02 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:
I read each Batman book/story independently of itself. When reading a batman story these are the following things you need to know.

Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered in front of his eyes(never going to change)
Bruce Wayne became Batman to avenge his parents death(never going to change)
Sometimes Batman has a sidekick.
Batman is the greatest/worst detective ever.
Batman is the GODDAMN BATMAN!

After that none of it matters.

Don't worry, dude, I am sure the current regime at DC will find a way to fuck up Batman's origin soon. They'll probably make him into a mutant cyborg that eats peoples brains and kills kittens to see if that will sell.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:04 pm

chap22 wrote:tough love, man. if she can't have him, no way anybody else is gonna corrupt him.

Didn't she clone Damian at some point though? If she is this evil and ruthless she could just raise the clone as her own son and just leave the original to be raised by his dad. Doesn't make sense she would be going out of her way to kill her own son when she has the technology to clone him.

by **Juan Cena** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:35 pm

draco x wrote:
Or maybe a yellow bug has possessed her for all we know.

Yeah, something could be possessing her. I haven't totally written off idea that Morrison may actually be planning to have Batman face the true Barbatos, or some other kind of representation of the devil.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:25 pm

guitarsmashley wrote:
I read each Batman book/story independently of itself. When reading a batman story these are the following things you need to know.

Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered in front of his eyes(never going to change)
Bruce Wayne became Batman to avenge his parents death(never going to change)
Sometimes Batman has a sidekick.
Batman is the greatest/worst detective ever.

After that none of it matters.

That's about where I am with it.

by **draco x** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:39 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
Yeah, something could be possessing her. I haven't totally written off idea that Morrison may actually be planning to have Batman face the true Barbatos, or some other kind of representation of the devil.

I wonder if Barbaratos has the power to retcon the New 52 back to the true DC Comics? If so, the demon will become my new favorite DC villain.

by **guitarsmashley** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:23 am

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
That's about where I am with it.

I've been a total fuck up with my interview transcriptions. David Finch pointed out that it's hard to write batman especially when you're not the world shaper of a character like Batman and how Morrison is the runner of the Batman Universe. You really can't read Morrison Batman and then others and think they occupy the same space. Just enjoy the comics you have.

by **Juan Cena** » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:18 am

guitarsmashley wrote:
I've been a total fuck up with my interview transcriptions. David Finch pointed out that it's hard to write batman especially when you're not the world shaper of a character like Batman and how Morrison is the runner of the Batman Universe. You really can't read Morrison Batman and then others and think they occupy the same space. Just enjoy the comics you have.

It seems Snyder has that role now, with Morrison kind of to the side.