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by **draco x** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:35 am

chap22 wrote:i don't know, and i honestly don't care. but it ain't Wally.

Maybe it's Jason Bard or Roy Raymond Jr. These are characters no one has seen in awhile since the New 52, so anything is possible.

by **Punchy** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:50 am

What the fuck? But! It doesn’t even make… What? How? I don’t know! What? This issue contained a shocking revelation and I’m not sure how I feel about it. It’s crazy, but is it crazy in a good way? Or a lame way? I, like most people, had theorised that Lincoln March was in league with the Court Of Owls, and I was right, but there’s more to him than I ever could have expected. Because he’s not Lincoln March… he’s Thomas Wayne Jnr, Bruce Wayne’s brother! Like I said, what the fuck. This reveal can go either way, it’s either incredibly stupid, or it’s a genius move and one that has created a truly great new villain for Batman. I just don’t know. I do know that this issue was very good, Snyder and Capullo just pull everything off with great aplomb, the art is good, the dialogue is strong, it’s just the content of that dialogue that rubs me the wrong way a little. At least we now know why Lincoln and Bruce looked so similar! What was at the time seen as Capullo’s art being poor, was in fact a clever piece of plotting. I think I’ll go back and re-read this run from the beginning to see how well the secret of Thomas Jnr was set up, but like I said, the main thing this issue gave me was the biggest WTF in a long time, WTFs aren’t necessarily bad, but at this stage, I just don’t know. I did find it interesting that the back-up story confirmed Thomas’ story, it can’t be true, can it? What the fuck!

by **Lord Ice** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:07 am

Didn't even know there was a mastermind to this. Shows how little I've been paying attention as the story has dragged on to it's decompressed fullest.

by **draco x** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:25 pm

Punchy wrote:What the fuck? But! It doesn’t even make… What? How? I don’t know! What? This issue contained a shocking revelation and I’m not sure how I feel about it. It’s crazy, but is it crazy in a good way? Or a lame way? I, like most people, had theorised that Lincoln March was in league with the Court Of Owls, and I was right, but there’s more to him than I ever could have expected. Because he’s not Lincoln March… he’s Thomas Wayne Jnr, Bruce Wayne’s brother! Like I said, what the fuck. This reveal can go either way, it’s either incredibly stupid, or it’s a genius move and one that has created a truly great new villain for Batman. I just don’t know. I do know that this issue was very good, Snyder and Capullo just pull everything off with great aplomb, the art is good, the dialogue is strong, it’s just the content of that dialogue that rubs me the wrong way a little. At least we now know why Lincoln and Bruce looked so similar! What was at the time seen as Capullo’s art being poor, was in fact a clever piece of plotting. I think I’ll go back and re-read this run from the beginning to see how well the secret of Thomas Jnr was set up, but like I said, the main thing this issue gave me was the biggest WTF in a long time, WTFs aren’t necessarily bad, but at this stage, I just don’t know. I did find it interesting that the back-up story confirmed Thomas’ story, it can’t be true, can it? What the fuck!

Poor Bruce. His family life is like that of a soap opera; one of his ancestors is a devil worshipper named Simon Hurt, his childhood friends turn into super-villains( Hush, Black Mask, Two-Face, etc), the guy that broke his back was once thought to be his brother( Bane), his mother's friend tried to take over his company( Athena), the son he never knew about is another Jason Todd( Damian), his baby momma is trying to kill him to get her son back and now the brother he knew about is now another douchebag super-villain. What next? Is he going to date some woman who then turns out to be his long lost sister?

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:07 pm

draco x wrote:
Maybe it's Jason Bard or Roy Raymond Jr. These are characters no one has seen in awhile since the New 52, so anything is possible.

It has to be someone who knows Batman is Bruce Wayne (see BI#6) I don't recall either one of them knowing that.

by **draco x** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:00 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
It has to be someone who knows Batman is Bruce Wayne (see BI#6) I don't recall either one of them knowing that.

Probably its Thomas Elliot posing as a hero.

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:13 pm

draco x wrote:
Probably its Thomas Elliot posing as a hero.

It'd have to somebody Batman trusts as well.

by **draco x** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:28 pm

The Nacireman wrote:

It'd have to somebody Batman trusts as well.

Other guesses would include Jean Paul Valley but we all know Didio hates Azrael and will make sure he stays dead.

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:22 pm

draco x wrote:
Other guesses would include Jean Paul Valley but we all know Didio hates Azrael and will make sure he stays dead.

Doubt it's JPV. Wingman has to be someone Bats trusts to put in a leadership role, as well. Doubt JPV qualifies on that.

by **Chris** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:09 pm

IT HAS TO BE WALLY WEST! :shock:

by **draco x** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:53 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
Doubt it's JPV. Wingman has to be someone Bats trusts to put in a leadership role, as well. Doubt JPV qualifies on that.

Well it's obviously not Dick or Tim, JPV is blacklisted by Didio and is still dead as far as we know, nobody gives a shit about Lane to use him much and there aren't many other good guesses after this. I am guessing its one of the characters from Batman Inc- Perhaps Knight and Squire in a new role?

by **Juan Cena** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:59 pm

draco x wrote:
Well it's obviously not Dick or Tim, JPV is blacklisted by Didio and is still dead as far as we know, nobody gives a shit about Lane to use him much and there aren't many other good guesses after this. I am guessing its one of the characters from Batman Inc- Perhaps Knight and Squire in a new role?

I don't believe they know Bats is Bruce, either.

by **draco x** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:37 am

The Nacireman wrote:
I don't believe they know Bats is Bruce, either.

I hope to god it's not another one of his long lost siblings that just showed up as Bruce's family life is way too much like a soap opera now.

by **Punchy** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:13 pm

Wingman is probably Batman's other younger brother, Jeff Wayne.

by **draco x** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:03 pm

Punchy wrote:Wingman is probably Batman's other younger brother, Jeff Wayne.

That I can see happening at the planning board. DC wants to make Bruce's life into a sitcom-lite soap opera. I wonder if I am reading a bat-book or an episode of Days Of Our Lives or Falcon's Crest.