draco x wrote:
A few things wrong with this statement:
1. Cancellation-bound Ultimate Spiderman is not fit to be compared to a majority of cartoons that were created. If you are comparing prior shows to this current Amazing Friends/ Brave & The Bold pastice, then we are at an impasse, my friend. Plus, as I said before, USM will never be mentioned in the same breadth as TMNT, Transformers( G1), GI Joe( 1), Thundercats, He-Man, She-Ra, etc, once the show goes off the air. In fact most will still be talking about how Spectacular Spiderman was much better than the show that replaced it.
2. So what if those prior shows had less than perfect writing? It still doesn't take away from the fact that the stories were engaging and interesting. I will admit that the writing was silly and corny at times but ar least they knew how to engage the audiences-Something that most cartoons currently don't have for the most part. The only good cartoons that have come out in the 2000s have been TMNT( 2002), Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Young Justice, The Batman, Spectacular Spiderman, Battleforce 5, GI Joe Renegades, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, Wolverine & The X-Men, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and a few others. But for the most part, the cartoons nowadays are crap and make one appreciate the older stuff.
3. You did have me when you said Ultimate Spiderman is inferior to the Avengers and Young Justice cartoons but I will add it's inferior to a lot of other cartoons as well. Well actually USM is preferable to Spongebob Squarepants and Dora The Explorer in all fairness as those are shows I would never watch even if I had kids.
The one thing that I explicitly disputed in your post was the quality of the writing in 80s cartoons and you seem to have basically conceded that point with your 2.
Look, I watched most of these shows and loved them when I was younger. Even today they still have a lot of nostalgic value to me. Like I say, I think there was a lot of creativity and imagination behind them that still shines through. Watch any given episode, though, and it's hard to really stick your nose up at the kids today. The problem with nostalgia is that the only requirement for something to have nostalgic value is that you saw it when you were young. So yes, there will be people who look back on Spongebob Squarepants with misty eyes and, really, there isn't a whole hell of a lot that we can say about that given some of the crap that we used to watch.
If you include things like the broader DCAU from Batman:TAS onwards cartoons have taken a huge leap since those days. There have been some genuinely classic shows that will still hold up. Future generations won't have to appeal to nostalgia they'll be able to point to Justice League: Unlimited and say, 'Here, this is what we used to watch' and it will still be pretty damn good.
You write: "The only good cartoons that have come out in the 2000s have been TMNT( 2002), Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, Young Justice, The Batman, Spectacular Spiderman, Battleforce 5, GI Joe Renegades, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, Wolverine & The X-Men, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and a few others."
But this is a pretty good list! And it's incomplete, as you say. Where is Avatar the Last Airbender, for example? One of the greatest cartoons of all-time.
You are being way too hard on today's animation and not nearly hard enough on the animations of the 80s.
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