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by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:30 am

Arion wrote:
I thought he was a shirt and tie kind of man...

I hear that when Granny Goodness wore a shirt and tie around Apokolips even Darkseid wet his shorts.

by **Arion** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:39 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
I hear that when Granny Goodness wore a shirt and tie around Apokolips even Darkseid wet his shorts.

But he's made of rock! More like he dusted his shorts...

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:06 pm

Arion wrote:
But he's made of rock! More like he dusted his shorts...

Then how do explain Orion and Kalibak? :smt017

by **alaska1125** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:34 pm

Just started rereading the Great Darkness Saga. Man, good stuff. Got the collection for about seven dollars too.

Next up? The LSV arc from the early Baxter issues.

by **Arion** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:29 pm

The Nacireman wrote:
Then how do explain Orion and Kalibak?

They're adopted or else they would have the same lovely granite skin as their father...

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:26 pm

Arion wrote:
They're adopted or else they would have the same lovely granite skin as their father...

It was revealed once back in Byrne's Fourth World run that Darkseid's appearance was the result of some kind of procedure, and he used to be more human-looking.

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:12 pm

And the news keeps getting worse and worse and worse...

123 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
05/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #30 -- 30,767
05/2008: LoSH #42 -- 27,940
05/2010: LoSH #1 -- 44,415 [50,106]
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05/2011: LoSH #13 -- 23,105 (- 1.3%)
06/2011: LoSH #14 -- 22,600 (- 2.2%)
07/2011: LoSH #15 -- 21,788 (- 3.6%)
08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
-----------------
6 months: - 40.4%
1 year : - 9.7%
5 years : - 32.2%

Slowly drifting downward.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/07/16/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2012/

There's use defending keeping Levitz on this book. This is a total flop. If he wasn't who he was (the ex-President of the Company), his @$$ would have been off this book months ago. Heck, his @$$ would have been off of it before the Nu52.

by **IvCNuB4** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:31 pm

Yeah, this title has been treading the plot-waters for a while now.

But the recent Lightle covers have been pretty

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:32 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:Yeah, this title has been treading the plot-waters for a while now.

But the recent Lightle covers have been pretty

What they haven't doing is sell comics.

by **Cat-Scratch** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:54 pm

IvCNuB4 wrote:Yeah, this title has been treading the plot-waters for a while now.

But the recent Lightle covers have been pretty

Those are the only things I'm liking about these comics.

by **Arion** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:41 pm

I like Lightle, I love his Legion covers in the 80s.

20,000 readers? What's the prediction, 18,000 in a couple of months or it will stabilize in 19,000?

by **Juan Cena** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:37 pm

Arion wrote:I like Lightle, I love his Legion covers in the 80s.

20,000 readers? What's the prediction, 18,000 in a couple of months or it will stabilize in 19,000?

I'd say between 20K and 19K in two months. Have to see what the change in artists does.

by **Vic Vega** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:39 am

The Nacireman wrote:And the news keeps getting worse and worse and worse...

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/07/16/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2012/

There's use defending keeping Levitz on this book. This is a total flop. If he wasn't who he was (the ex-President of the Company), his @$$ would have been off this book months ago. Heck, his @$$ would have been off of it before the Nu52.

I've been gone for months and you are still on about this. :-D

Levitz in himself ain't the problem.

The problem is that the Legion is completely a niche product now. Fuck, COMICS are a niche product now.

If you wanted to perk stuff up a bit you could add the obligatory teen/early 20's member of the Superman family. Or XS (or whatever nu52 approved decendent of Barry Allen that DC deems useable).Or Fuck it, Ms. Martian.

Tie Legion into the main DCU (whatever that is these days) more.

But all the beefing about the direction of the book aside its more likely that DC readers now don't give two craps about any team book that ain't the Justice League.

by **Juan Cena** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:00 am

Vic Vega wrote:

I've been gone for months and you are still on about this.

Levitz in himself ain't the problem.

The problem is that the Legion is completely a niche product now. Fuck, COMICS are a niche product now.

If you wanted to perk stuff up a bit you could add the obligatory teen/early 20's member of the Superman family. Or XS (or whatever nu52 approved decendent of Barry Allen that DC deems useable).Or Fuck it, Ms. Martian.

Tie Legion into the main DCU (whatever that is these days) more.

But all the beefing about the direction of the book aside its more likely that DC readers now don't give two craps about any team book that ain't the Justice League.

It was pretty stupid that Levitz ignored the fact that XS remained when the rest of the Archie Legion went back into limbo is proof enough that he's lost it.

And Johns brought "back" a "classic version of the team" (with retcons up the yin-yang) with the purpose of integrating the team more into the Superman mythos. What has Levitz done with it? Squat.

And now with time travel verbodden after Flashpoint, Legion's stuck all by its lonesome, with the exception of Legion Lost. Which has got to on the way to the chopping block sooner of later.

by **Arion** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:20 pm

Vic Vega wrote:

I've been gone for months and you are still on about this.

Levitz in himself ain't the problem.

The problem is that the Legion is completely a niche product now. Fuck, COMICS are a niche product now.

If you wanted to perk stuff up a bit you could add the obligatory teen/early 20's member of the Superman family. Or XS (or whatever nu52 approved decendent of Barry Allen that DC deems useable).Or Fuck it, Ms. Martian.

Tie Legion into the main DCU (whatever that is these days) more.

But all the beefing about the direction of the book aside its more likely that DC readers now don't give two craps about any team book that ain't the Justice League.

How would you explain the success of The Hypernaturals (pretty much Legion of Super-Heroes in Boom!)?

Yes, sales are not what they used to be, but even keeping that in mind I'd say there is a problem with the current Legion title.