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by **Punchy** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:51 am

Another excellent issue of Daredevil from Mark Waid and Chris Samnee, and even though this one is probably the darkest yet, it was still a thrill-ride. Daredevil is held captive in Latveria without his powers, and we spend most of the issue trapped inside his head as he comes to terms first with a life without his senses, and then with them coming back in strange new ways. This kind of story is hard to tell, but I think Waid and Samnee did a very good job at expressing the kind of horror that Daredevil is going through, effectively cutting from being very much inside his head not going on, to a viewpoint outside of him, seeing him flail about. I’m very interested to see what’s going to happen to Daredevil’s abilities now, is his sight coming back? That would be crazy. In the end, Daredevil manages to escape by getting a message out to the Avengers, and Iron Man comes to his rescue. Is it just me or did Iron Man’s involvement seem heavily reminiscent of the famous scene in ‘Born Again’ where the Avengers come in from the skies to stop Nuke? Even though Daredevil’s world is now a lot more connected to that side of the Marvel Universe, it still feels like an outside element.

by **Amoebas** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:12 am

Top many convenient story devices for this two point one issue's tale...

How lucky is that the bad guys were so stupid to have kidnapped DD in front of them so they knew he was missing?
How lucky is it that the bad guys never bothered to take the Avengers ID Card, and instead just left it around like it had zero value?
How lucky is that for all of Von Doom's technology throughout the entire country of Latveria, DD is able to guess the exact spot where the signal squelcher is?
How lucky is it that Iron Man wasn't doing anything at all so that he could (somehow) instantly teleport (?) to the exact spot DD was? (I mean c'mon, that was just too damn fast for him and the quinjet to get there).

I love what Waid is doing with this book and this issue is still enjoyable, but too many things were forced to happen making this story a bit of a letdown (oh well, it couldn't remain perfect forever).

by **alaska1125** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:27 am

Amoebas wrote:Top many convenient story devices for this two point one issue's tale...

How lucky is that the bad guys were so stupid to have kidnapped DD in front of them so they knew he was missing?
How lucky is it that the bad guys never bothered to take the Avengers ID Card, and instead just left it around like it had zero value?
How lucky is that for all of Von Doom's technology throughout the entire country of Latveria, DD is able to guess the exact spot where the signal squelcher is?
How lucky is it that Iron Man wasn't doing anything at all so that he could (somehow) instantly teleport (?) to the exact spot DD was? (I mean c'mon, that was just too damn fast for him and the quinjet to get there).

I love what Waid is doing with this book and this issue is still enjoyable, but too many things were forced to happen making this story a bit of a letdown (oh well, it couldn't remain perfect forever).

It's a comic. Were all these points so absolutely implausible that they took you out of the story? Obviously they were, but really, why?

by **MistaT** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:30 am

Amoebas wrote:Top many convenient story devices for this two point one issue's tale...

How lucky is that the bad guys were so stupid to have kidnapped DD in front of them so they knew he was missing?
How lucky is it that the bad guys never bothered to take the Avengers ID Card, and instead just left it around like it had zero value?
How lucky is that for all of Von Doom's technology throughout the entire country of Latveria, DD is able to guess the exact spot where the signal squelcher is?
How lucky is it that Iron Man wasn't doing anything at all so that he could (somehow) instantly teleport (?) to the exact spot DD was? (I mean c'mon, that was just too damn fast for him and the quinjet to get there).

I love what Waid is doing with this book and this issue is still enjoyable, but too many things were forced to happen making this story a bit of a letdown (oh well, it couldn't remain perfect forever).

Some interesting points I had not thought of, I guess after all these years of taking things with a grain of salt you tend to overlook things like these. :smt102

by **Amoebas** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:54 am

alaska1125 wrote:
It's a comic. Were all these points so absolutely implausible that they took you out of the story? Obviously they were, but really, why?

When there are too many convenient coincidences, yes it does take me out of the book.

Nothing was much of a bother until Iron Man showed up.

If this story took place in upper Manhattan, Iron Man's instant arrival would have been plausible, but instead it took place halfway round the world and it was like Iron Man was hiding behind a tree waiting for his cue. For Iron Man and the quinjet to 'plausibly' get there so quick, they would have had to be in the area and if so they could have just used their eyes to see DD in trouble atop the castles roof - making the whole plot device of the ID card meaningless.