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by **ElijahSnowFan** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:27 pm

alaska1125 wrote:
Indeed. I thought that there were some really nice acknowledgements that Barry came before, but Wally was the Flash for a younger group of readers than I. I really wouldn't have minded if they brought him back to serve in the mentor role that Jay Garrick had filled, but to shunt Wally aside to put Barry back in the spotlight? No. I don't get it.

Me, either, my friend. I walked around the logic, and I could see them wanting a new Flash because Wally had a wife and kids. I understood that.

But holy hell. I've said it before, but DC's decision-making with regard to the Flash franchise has been horrifying every since the split second somebody said, "Hey! What if we aged Bart Allen to an adult?"

by **alaska1125** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:35 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Me, either, my friend. I walked around the logic, and I could see them wanting a new Flash because Wally had a wife and kids. I understood that.

But holy hell. I've said it before, but DC's decision-making with regard to the Flash franchise has been horrifying every since the split second somebody said, "Hey! What if we aged Bart Allen to an adult?"

Gah...the beginning of the end for Wally...

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:40 pm

alaska1125 wrote:
Gah...the beginning of the end for Wally...

Man. Reading that again...just painful where they took it from there. PAINFUL.

by **alaska1125** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:48 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Man. Reading that again...just painful where they took it from there. PAINFUL.

Painful is one word...

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:48 pm

Oh, yeah, I'll say it:

The next person on Earth to get a power ring absolutely should've been a woman.

I mean, FFS. Seriously.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:52 pm

alaska1125 wrote:

Painful is one word...

Ha! Quick, everyone -- what's in his left pouch on the front? Come on, now -- what's in there?

I have no clue, either. Just thought it'd be cool to remind people of how ridiculous some costumes are, in a medium that screams "ridiculous." :-D

by **Dragavon** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:53 pm

I'll say something I've never said before. While I hate Hal as he is currently written, I would be okay if they gave him some sort of human personality. But Johns hasn't learned anything from Stan Lee. Hal is only portrayed as fearless test pilot without any weaknesses? What the fuck is relatable about that?

Seriously I am asking if anybody can really show what real flaws Hal has because I haven't seen any in the entire time since Johns brought him back.

by **Dragavon** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:55 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Oh, yeah, I'll say it:

The next person on Earth to get a power ring absolutely should've been a woman.

I mean, FFS. Seriously.

It happened during Marz's run. When Kyle was out trying to restart the Corps, he found a female Russian cosmonaut that had been in suspended animation and gave her a ring. It would have been cool if that had gone somewhere but again I blame Johns.

by **alaska1125** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:03 pm

Dragavon wrote:I'll say something I've never said before. While I hate Hal as he is currently written, I would be okay if they gave him some sort of human personality. But Johns hasn't learned anything from Stan Lee. Hal is only portrayed as fearless test pilot without any weaknesses? What the fuck is relatable about that?

Seriously I am asking if anybody can really show what real flaws Hal has because I haven't seen any in the entire time since Johns brought him back.

Fearless test pilot or cocky douchebag...just different shades of grey, I suppose.

by **ElijahSnowFan** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:10 pm

alaska1125 wrote:
Fearless test pilot or cocky douchebag...just different shades of grey, I suppose.

That's the worst part...he's pretty much been an unlikable a-hole from damn near the second he got back.

by **Arion** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:57 am

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
Man. Reading that again...just painful where they took it from there. PAINFUL.

It's funny to see so much dialogue there... who wrote it?

by **chap22** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:23 am

Amoebas wrote: Ain't it ironic that the last time Wally was enjoyable was when it was written by the guy who brought Barry back?

Bah. I really liked Peyer's arc after Waid. If they'd have let him stick with it I think he coulda done good things.

by **chap22** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:29 am

ElijahSnowFan wrote:
That's the worst part...he's pretty much been an unlikable a-hole from damn near the second he got back.

Yep. And he is 100 times the a-hole in JL that he is in his own book. Give Johns all the credit in te world for rejuvenating the franchise's popularity, but it sure seems to me like he's dead-set on continuing to do so...by destroying all the main parts??? Hal's unlikable, he's spent nearly a decade turning the Guardians into the new Anti-Monitor (big bad for a sure fire cosmic crossover event), fucking Sinestro is basically the lead...it makes no sense to me

by **Cat-Scratch** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:03 pm

Amoebas wrote: Ain't it ironic that the last time Wally was enjoyable was when it was written by the guy who brought Barry back?

Yeah. Same as the guy who preceded him the first time was so amazing on the title, yet returned and gave us... :cry:

by **Cat-Scratch** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:19 pm

alaska1125 wrote:
Indeed. I thought that there were some really nice acknowledgements that Barry came before, but Wally was the Flash for a younger group of readers than I. I really wouldn't have minded if they brought him back to serve in the mentor role that Jay Garrick had filled, but to shunt Wally aside to put Barry back in the spotlight? No. I don't get it.

I like that too. Barry as an mentor role would work, more given that Jay and Max are gone, but they both held that role well for Wally.