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It's official: The Neo-Classic Legion is a flop.

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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:02 pm

The latest numbers on the current Legion series. They officially are below 20,000

115 - THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES
06/2007: Supergirl & LoSH #31 -- 30,385
06/2008: --
06/2010: LoSH #2 -- 39,102
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06/2011: LoSH #14 -- 22,600 (- 2.2%)
07/2011: LoSH #15 -- 21,788 (- 3.6%)
08/2011: LoSH #16 -- 21,373 (- 1.9%)
09/2011: LoSH #1 -- 50,402 (+135.8%) [58,325]
10/2011: LoSH #2 -- 47,227 (- 6.3%)
11/2011: LoSH #3 -- 34,979 (- 25.9%)
12/2011: LoSH #4 -- 27,832 (- 20.4%)
01/2012: LoSH #5 -- 25,624 (- 7.9%)
02/2012: LoSH #6 -- 23,428 (- 8.6%)
03/2012: LoSH #7 -- 21,894 (- 6.6%)
04/2012: LoSH #8 -- 21,457 (- 2.0%)
05/2012: LoSH #9 -- 20,854 (- 2.8%)
06/2012: LoSH #10 -- 19,963 (- 4.3%)
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6 months: - 28.3%
1 year : - 11.7%
2 years : - 49.0%
5 years : - 34.3%

Slipping below the 20K mark for the first time since Diamond started providing the current set of figures in March 2003.

Overall, there are 15 “New 52″ books selling fewer than 20,000 units in June, versus 18 in April, the month before the first six were axed and replaced. Of those 15 titles, three are cancelled with their “#0″ issues in September and replaced in October. At the current rate, it looks like these books are approaching critical numbers faster than DC can cancel and replace them — particularly since one of the ones that’s in cancellation territory now was just launched as a replacement for another failed title in May.


http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/08/03/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-july-2012/

I think it's time for a few of the Legion fans out there to finally admit that screwing Mark Waid over and bringing in the neo-classic Legion has been a disaster. This has been one of the worst re-launches in DC history.
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ElijahSnowFan

cheese

Postby ElijahSnowFan » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:11 pm

Wait, what?

You can't be seriously saying that the Legion isn't selling because Mark Waid's vision didn't take with the old-schoolers?

Bottom line: Some books do better than others in relaunches/reboots. I don't pretend those numbers are pretty -- they aren't. But here's the thing: Whatever delusion you hold of going back to some era of the Legion that lasted fewer than 50 issues -- sorry, man. That ship has sailed.

DC made the right decision in restoring the original timeline. Either they'll figure out a way to get this thing fixed, or they won't. But it has nothing to do with "Neo-Classic Legion." It can EASILY, and I mean EASILY, be argued that the reason the Legion has been damaged so severely is because of what they did to the original Legion's timeline, way back when.

No version has ever sold better than this one. NONE. Is it struggling now? Sure. But, again and for emphasis: NO VERSION OF LEGION HAS EVER SOLD BETTER THAN THIS ONE.

Period.
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Zechs

Outhouse Editor

Postby Zechs » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:40 pm

:smt017 Why post this when there's a thread for this already?
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:44 pm

ElijahSnowFan wrote:Wait, what?

You can't be seriously saying that the Legion isn't selling because Mark Waid's vision didn't take with the old-schoolers?


No, I'm saying the Legion isn't selling because DC balked when it didn't need to.

Bottom line: Some books do better than others in relaunches/reboots. I don't pretend those numbers are pretty -- they aren't. But here's the thing: Whatever delusion you hold of going back to some era of the Legion that lasted fewer than 50 issues -- sorry, man. That ship has sailed.


The fact it didn't last has to do with DC's mishandling it by a)Undermining it with the Lightning Saga and John's use of the "old" team in Action. b)Handing the book over to Shooter, which was a bomb.

The fact remains that DC's decision to go back to the "old" team didn't work.


DC made the right decision in restoring the original timeline. Either they'll figure out a way to get this thing fixed, or they won't. But it has nothing to do with "Neo-Classic Legion." It can EASILY, and I mean EASILY, be argued that the reason the Legion has been damaged so severely is because of what they did to the original Legion's timeline, way back when.


I won't argue with you with how DC handles LSH after COIE. That has a lot to do with Levitz not really willing to fix continuity issues with Byrne's Supes in a logical way (like having Clark involved with the team between the time he left Smallville to his first public appearance), or Giffen and the 5YG (which reportedly led to the directive from Carlin to remove Supes from LSH continuity altogether.)

No version has ever sold better than this one. NONE. Is it struggling now? Sure. But, again and for emphasis: NO VERSION OF LEGION HAS EVER SOLD BETTER THAN THIS ONE.



Period.


That was then, this is now. This version has failed to A) Bring back large numbers of old fans, and B) Bring in large numbers of new fans.

Comparing what the sales numbers were at the peak of the Levitz-Giffen years of 82-84 is easy. The direction the book went afterwards (both in story, art, and format) has failed.

One of the reasons I believe this current series has bombed is because of the Levitz and DC's unwillingness to make the necessary tweaks to make the title work. Instead, it's compounded continuity issues, cut the book off almost entirely from the Superman titles, and just not being up to the quality of the "classic era."

What does DC need to do now? Get Levitz off the book, get a writer with a good handle on SF to take over, and get an artist who has a style more in like with Grell or pre-vacation Giffen, and be willing to fix continuity issues or just do a "soft" reboot that retains continuity, but de-ages the team a little bit to where the old guard is in the college-age years or younger.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:45 pm

Zechs wrote::smt017 Why post this when there's a thread for this already?


That thread asked a question that no longer needed to be asked.

This thread needs to be more about what to do to go forward.
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Punchy

Staff Writer

Postby Punchy » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:45 pm

This is like the 5th time you've declared it 'officially' a flop.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:57 pm

Image

Sorry, needed to be posted, bro.
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BubbaKanoosh

2009 Most Valuable Poster

Postby BubbaKanoosh » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:46 pm

Punchy wrote:This is like the 5th time you've declared it 'officially' a flop.


He has OCD. He has to make a thread bout the legion once a quarter.

Before he does, he washes his hands 6 times and turns tge lights on and off 12
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:04 pm

BubbaKanoosh wrote:
He has OCD. He has to make a thread bout the legion once a quarter.

Before he does, he washes his hands 6 times and turns tge lights on and off 12


Then he fucks a broad 56 times. He's Nacireman, the most heterosexual poster ever to post on the internet.
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habitual

Silly French Man

Postby habitual » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:20 pm

This takes beating a dead horse to a whole new level.

Hab
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fieldy snuts

Rain Partier

Postby fieldy snuts » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:26 pm

After all this time, people still don't give a shit about the Legion?!

/points at the avatar
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alaska1125

dINGO

Postby alaska1125 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:35 pm

Should someone be concerned about the level of obsession that seems to be apparent here?
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S.F. Jude Terror

OMCTO

Postby S.F. Jude Terror » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:38 pm

alaska1125 wrote:Should someone be concerned about the level of obsession that seems to be apparent here?


Yes. Fieldy Snuts needs to get over his avatar.
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Lord Ice

Motherfucker from Hell

Postby Lord Ice » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:00 pm

alaska1125 wrote:Should someone be concerned about the level of obsession that seems to be apparent here?


It's not Liefeldian level of obsession yet. :wink:
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fieldy snuts

Rain Partier

Postby fieldy snuts » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:53 pm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:
Yes. Fieldy Snuts needs to get over his avatar.


Deal with it.

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