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IvCNuB4

Staff Writer

Postby IvCNuB4 » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:21 am

Dear God, last month 'Teen Titans' and 'Superboy' both individually sold more copies than this title did :lol:
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:40 am

IvCNuB4 wrote:Dear God, last month 'Teen Titans' and 'Superboy' both individually sold more copies than this title did :lol:


And you're shocked by this?
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Arion

Twenty-Something

Postby Arion » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:23 pm

What you need is to go back to those classic, sexy Mike Grell outfits. What readers want today is to take a good look at Dream Girl's lovely jubbly bubblies.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:56 pm

Arion wrote:What you need is to go back to those classic, sexy Mike Grell outfits. What readers want today is to take a good look at Dream Girl's lovely jubbly bubblies.


Having an artist that draws in a more realistic style like Grell would be helpful if DC went that way. Like I've said before, it would seem that Legion was more popular when there were more realistic artists on board than more cartoonist ones.
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:54 pm

Have just given up on both Legion titles. I've waited over twenty years for the Legion to be as great as it used to be (Levitz/Giffen and the first Baxter series) but finally had to throw in the towel. Loved the series before the re-boot but the NU52 version has been unmemorable - much like most of DC's line. LSH never recovered from COIE & then there was Giffen's appalling 5 Year Later toss.....
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:19 pm

UnionJack wrote:Have just given up on both Legion titles. I've waited over twenty years for the Legion to be as great as it used to be (Levitz/Giffen and the first Baxter series) but finally had to throw in the towel. Loved the series before the re-boot but the NU52 version has been unmemorable - much like most of DC's line. LSH never recovered from COIE & then there was Giffen's appalling 5 Year Later toss.....


5YG was one of the bigger mistakes in Legion history (maybe the biggest). Legion works when it's in a positive, Star Trek kind of universe, where humanity has overcome it's modern-day problems.
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:05 pm

Yes, LSH is definitely a title that needs to retain some Silver Age sensibilities. A positiveness, as you say, rather than light-hearted. Not that it should be devoid of some darkness, as depicted in some of the best stories such as Great Darkness Saga, LSV story from the Baxter series.
I thought Levitz's pre-boot Legion was just about there but for some reason the NU52 version has turned to shit but still better that the previous couple of decades. I've just had to admit defeat.
Yes, 5YG the worst LSH ever. Did Giffen write that as well as do the art? Never liked his writing - definitely an artist who should have stuck to art.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:58 pm

UnionJack wrote:Yes, LSH is definitely a title that needs to retain some Silver Age sensibilities. A positiveness, as you say, rather than light-hearted. Not that it should be devoid of some darkness, as depicted in some of the best stories such as Great Darkness Saga, LSV story from the Baxter series.
I thought Levitz's pre-boot Legion was just about there but for some reason the NU52 version has turned to shit but still better that the previous couple of decades. I've just had to admit defeat.
Yes, 5YG the worst LSH ever. Did Giffen write that as well as do the art? Never liked his writing - definitely an artist who should have stuck to art.


Giffen plotted or co-plotted the FYG with the Beirbaums for the first 30 issues or so.

I think Levitz's biggest problem is that he doesn't have a good grasp on modern SF. The 31st century of the Nu-52 Legion doesn't seem much different from the 30th century of 25 years ago. The book does feel like a nostalgia trip in that manner.
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:22 pm

I'd like to see Alan Davis involved. His LSH Elseworlds from years ago was the best Legion story in the past 2 or 3 decades. It was more his covers than anything that kept me buying the regular series. He has an obvious love of the Legion. Definitely like to see him on art duties & probably co-writing but with whom I'm not sure.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:55 pm

UnionJack wrote:I'd like to see Alan Davis involved. His LSH Elseworlds from years ago was the best Legion story in the past 2 or 3 decades. It was more his covers than anything that kept me buying the regular series. He has an obvious love of the Legion. Definitely like to see him on art duties & probably co-writing but with whom I'm not sure.


I couldn't really argue against Davis. It just needs to be someone who has a more classic style than cartoonish. Davis seems to be on the fence at times.

Artwise, I think the book needs to feature an interpretation of the future that's unique to the Legion. Buildings and interiors need to be less generic. You should be able to recognize locations in an instant without having to look at the captions.
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:47 pm

Steve Rude. If only.....

His fantastic Nexus shows he gets sci-fi. Think he could do a great job establishing a look for the Legion's world. It'll never happen though.

I also like Ladronn. I remember seeing some pics of an unpublished Inhumans series & it looked fantastic. Remember seeing shots of Attilan & some Kree stuff. He's got a Moebius (did I spell that correctly?) feel about his work that would be perfect for LSH.

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:53 pm

5YG was not the worst LoSH. Waid's Threeboot was the worst. 5YG was the second worst.

Give me the job Didio! I'll make the LoSH rock! I'll make it a top seller! No nudity either! I am the NEW MightyGodKing! :-D

Davis is great on story and art, but his LoSH had some cooky ideas for the characters. He made Cham into something worse than what Waid did in the 3Boot. I was left so sad, given my love of his Excalibur work sans Claremont. :cry:

The Old Doctor

Postby The Old Doctor » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:55 pm

UnionJack wrote:Steve Rude. If only.....

His fantastic Nexus shows he gets sci-fi. Think he could do a great job establishing a look for the Legion's world. It'll never happen though.

I also like Ladronn. I remember seeing some pics of an unpublished Inhumans series & it looked fantastic. Remember seeing shots of Attilan & some Kree stuff. He's got a Moebius (did I spell that correctly?) feel about his work that would be perfect for LSH.



Thing is, Rude was only half the creative team on Nexus. Mike Baron would need to be included.

Ladronn... the "love child" of Kirby and Moebius...
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UnionJack

Mad Hatter

Postby UnionJack » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:56 pm

Yes, Baron would have to be in. They do make a good team.

Ladronn is just ace.

Waid's Legion was shockingly bad, not what you'd expect from a usually reliable writer. Daredevil is so good & really looking forward to Hulk. Absolutely hated 5YG though so still the worst for me.

I don't really dislike the current LSH (think Lost is very poor though) it's just not good enough for me to keep buying. It's better than it has been for many years but I'm at a point where I'm no longer prepared to buy comics unless I really enjoy them. Sad, as I love the Legion and just wish it could be great again. It's got too good a universe with great characters to be squandered the way it has been for decades.
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Juan Cena

DANG!

Postby Juan Cena » Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:15 pm

Cat-Scratch wrote:5YG was not the worst LoSH. Waid's Threeboot was the worst. 5YG was the second worst.


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Give me the job Didio! I'll make the LoSH rock! I'll make it a top seller! No nudity either! I am the NEW MightyGodKing! :-D


Me first. I have tons of ideas. The Legion visiting worlds with varying levels of tech. They'd go to a Wild West-like world one story, and a steampunk world the next.

Or reintroducing Laurel Gand as a Daxamite-human hybrid with Pre-Crisis E-2 Power Girl power levels, and an immunity to lead.

Or having Cosmic Boy mysteriously replaced by his Threeboot vesion (or some Multiverse version thereof).

Or The Infinite Man/Time Trapper/Glorith zapping a good chunk of the team's old line back to their teen years. With teenage behavior to go along with it.

Or finding a way to get Supergirl to bypass the time-travel ban and have her visit the 31st century every so often. Hell teenage Briany's hormones!

Oh what fun.

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