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[BubbaKanoosh]

Now if only Hobby would kill Norman and take over the world!!

Zechs? Serious question.

Have Norman and Hobs ever fought?

BTW, GREAT THREAD!

I remember the epside of Spiderman when they did.

[JL_Amato]

One of my first issues was the one where Jason Macendale is possessed and at the end he splits from the demon and it becomes the Demogoblin.

[GLX]

What's with the McFarlane Hobgoblin?

[GOSD]

What's with the McFarlane Hobgoblin?

It was drawn by McFarlane.

[GOSD]

I remember the epside of Spiderman when they did.

I know about that one. I'm more interested in a comic book throwdown.

[Zechs]

Now if only Hobby would kill Norman and take over the world!!

Zechs? Serious question.

Have Norman and Hobs ever fought?

BTW, GREAT THREAD!

Norman and Kingsley have only fought once.

It was in Goblins at the Gate aka Spectacular Spider-Man #259-261. It's the only real confrontation between the two original Goblins.

Truthfully and sadly, Norman doesn't wear the Goblin attire and really doesn't go mono e Goblin with Roderick in it (just brute force vs brute force, Norman takes away Kingsley's pack before they start wailing on each other). Sure there are some great moments in it ("I'm Norman Osborn." and Roderick toying with Norman and Norman toying with Roderick, and Kingsley and Norman beating the crap out of the other). But really the Green Goblin in that is the nameless clone (however, DeFalco and Stern wanted to reveal it in the issue to be Phil Urich aka Green Goblin IV as the V), which is the real downer.

But still, it's also the last true apearance of Roderick Kingsley in the 616 universe since after fighting Osborn it's revealed he's lost his company to Norman (but Norman didn't touch all the criminal earnings Kingsley had gotten in his career as the Hobgoblin). So he retires to the Carribean a free man without fear of anyone coming after him.

As for other Green Goblin/Hobgoblin meetings...

Roderick and Harry had numerous confrontations (but the later never assumed his Green Goblin role), and they always ended up with Roddy the victor.

Harry Osborn Green Goblin and Jason Macendale Hobgoblin fought once and that was Todd MacFarlane's Amazing Spidey #311-312. Harry with the help of Spidey trounced Hobby in that.

The other Green/Hob fight was in Green Goblin #4 where Phil Urich Green Goblin fights the Jason Macendale Hobgoblin and the later beats the living crap out of him and is only saved by the appearance of the ever loving Thing.

Then in Green Goblin #5 is quite possibly the only ever "meeting" of all the Goblins ever created at the time. Phil still reeling from his loss to Jason Macendale begins to have nightmares and seeing Norman and Harry Osborn, Bart Hamilton, Demogoblin, and Ned Leeds all in Goblin attire and the ways they died (Norman with glider in his chest, Bart burnt badly, Harry sweating, and Ned with his throat slit, save Demo since he got crushed and I guess the artist didn't want to get too graphic ).

And of course there's the Phil/Roderick meeting in Spider-Girl #99 where Roderick kicked Phil's ass as shown in this thread.

[Zechs]

One of my first issues was the one where Jason Macendale is possessed and at the end he splits from the demon and it becomes the Demogoblin.

Ah The Name of the Rose. An amusing story but really just brainless fun.

[BubbaKanoosh]

Are you going to post Hobs results like you did Cyborgs?

*ahem*

[Zechs]

*ahem*

What you think?

[Zechs]

16. Hobgoblin (164 points - 3 first place slots)




"The original Hobgoblin became a worthy heir of the goblin legacy. He set out to create his own identity rather than be just another Green Goblin clone."

"Truly the greatest and elusive enemies Spider-Man has ever fought and the only one powerful enough who hasn't found out who he truly was. He's also the greatest of the villains who branched off another (Carnage, and the other Goblins.) He's had a lot of impact on Spider-Man and Green Goblins' (both Norman and Harry) lives. In and out of their suits. Even still, Norman and Betty Brant carry the scars of what this man has done to their lives. And perhaps the fact that he got away with his crimes is why he ranks so high. How many super villains you know that have only been caught once in their criminal careers and then busted out shortly thereafter? And then enjoy a nice early retirement free of any danger from any of his enemies. But the worst crime of all isn't something he's done, but Marvel's lack of use of him. It's been ten years since his last appearance and Marvel has made it clear he isn't coming back any time soon. Instead they create new Goblins who still can't match the cunning and worst of all rational sane mind of the Hobgoblin. After all, in the end the Hobgoblin, takes everything you ever worked or lived on isn't personal at all. It's just business."

"My goblin growing up. Menace and mystery plaguing Spidey for the better part of the 80’s."

"To tell the truth I was never in love with Green Goblin always thought he was just a reject Joker or something. Hobgoblin was just cooler he had a better look, attitude, and motivation."

This I was not expecting at all. Like I said before, the voting done on this list was completely different than the DCU villains list. On that list, 80% of the lists that came in were filled with big named characters (Joker, Lex. Black Adam, etc). When you look at the Marvel Top 25, it’s littered with B-List characters (and if you count the Hood a Z-List character in some peoples minds). It appears someone at Marvel should take note of this list, for it seems to be there are many Hobgoblin fans out there. Oh, and since only two people specified which Hobgoblin they voted for, I kinda threw them all into one big number. Cool? Cool.

Roderick Kingsley was a famous and successful fashion designer who used questionable methods. He had connections to several criminal associates. One such associate, a petty crook named George Hill who was on the run from Spider-Man. Ducking into the sewers he stumbled across an old secret base of the original Green Goblin.

Knowing this was valuable information, he passed it on to Kingsley. Kingsley thanked him by killing him to ensure no one else would know. Kingsley discovered some of Norman Osborn's journals among all the Green Goblin equipment. Kingsley decided to become a criminal himself and altered the Goblin costume to become the Hobgoblin.

Kingsley attempted to reproduce Osborn's formula to gain enhanced strength but was cautious to avoid the insanity Osborn suffered. He tested the formula on a henchman by the name of Lefty Donovan. Kingsley had Lefty attack Spider-Man as the Hobgoblin as he watched to see any adverse side affects of the formula. Spider-Man thought he had defeated and unmasked the Hobgoblin but Kingsley killed Lefty before he could implicate him by using a remote control on the goblin glider.

Kingsley later discovered that reporter Ned Leeds had discovered his identity. Kingsley brainwashed Leeds into becoming his puppet. He was able to control Leeds and have him take his place in several meetings with other criminal bosses. To further draw attention away from himself, Kingsley even planted information to make it appear as if Flash Thompson was the Hobgoblin. A rivalry started between the Hobgoblin and the criminal Jack O' Lantern (Jason Philip Macendale).

Believing that Leeds was the true Hobgoblin, Macendale hired the mercenary assassin, the Foreigner, to kill Leeds when he was on assignment in Paris. The Kingpin decided to pass along information on the "Hobgoblin’s death to Spider-man. Spider-man was devastated in thinking that one of his friends and co-workers (as Peter Parker) had been one of his greatest enemies. Kingsley decided to retire to Belize with everyone believing that the Hobgoblin was dead.

Macendale decided to take on the guise of the Hobgoblin himself. Though he was a skilled mercenary, he met defeat at the hands of Spider-Man many times.

In an attempt for power, he went to the demon N'asrih during the Inferno in Manhattan. Macendale said he would sell his soul for power but was laughed at by N'asrih. In the end as a joke, N'asrih placed a demon inside of Macendale. Later on the demon inside would split from Macendale and dub itself the Demogoblin. He would later kill Demogoblin by blasting a building on top of him.

At one point, when he was arrested and on trial, he revealed that the real "Hobgoblin" was Ned Leeds. The world had no choice but to believe this to be true.

After some time, Kingsley decided to come out of retirement. Not satisfied with what Macendale had done to his "name”. The first thing Kingsley did as the original Hobgoblin was kill Macendale which he did by viciously blasting him to death in his cell. He kidnapped Betty Brant, the widow of Ned Leeds, in order to draw out Spider-Man. The battle ended with Kingsley finally being revealed to be the one and true Hobgoblin.

When Norman Osborn "returned" from the dead, Kingsley was upset with his denial of being the Green Goblin. He was able to contact Osborn and claimed he had an old journal of his that proved he was the Green Goblin. Osborn had Kingsley broken out of jail. Osborn later told Kingsley that he knew there wasn't a journal with this information and used his own finances to buy out Kingsley's empire. Kingsley was furious but had in fact stashed away several millions of dollars in different overseas accounts. Kingsley then decided to retire (again) in the Caribbean.

I'm happy yet sad he didn't beat Norman. But then again I say again I blame Marvel for that.

[Cat-Scratch]

It was drawn by McFarlane.

That pretty much sums it up where ever he's concerned.

[Zechs]

Because I'm such a damn fiend for Hobby. I taken it up to make people REMEMBER HIM MORE. Thus posting on Scans Daily the Hobgoblin Saga:

Part 1:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_ ... tml#cutid1

Part 2:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_ ... tml#cutid1

Part 3:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_ ... t278938617

I rule don't I?

[Cat-Scratch]

Hobgoblin needs to pain Norman the Iron Patriot.

[HNutz]

Because I'm such a damn fiend for Hobby. I taken it up to make people REMEMBER HIM MORE. Thus posting on Scans Daily the Hobgoblin Saga:

I rule don't I?

Yeah ya do!

That kicked ass! So much so, I want to track down the issues/trade...

[Zechs]

Part 4:

http://community.livejournal.com/scans_ ... tml#cutid1