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[COOPCAP]

Oh snap!

Oh Snap??? do you write your own stuff?

[nietoperz]

COOPCAP, I think perhaps that rather than square up to everyone and try to fight when faced with criticism and/or ribbing, it may be wisest just to let the moment pass and wait for people to read your work.

[COOPCAP]

Okay, so no to the alien invasion but yes to the Nazi werewolves?

Seriously, I'm just trying to sort things out here and figure out where your comic is going.

He is trying to tell Cap that all the stuff is real, he uses the example of what happened the night of Orson Wells "War of the World" as an example of the most ridiculous thing that could happen and yet people actually believed it. and he is asking Cap to believe this crazy story.
There were werewolves and some of our guys when they first heard this they actually thought "real" werewolves. They were in reality a guerilla group that cut phone lines and changed road signs. but just last year the russians released documents stating that their scientists were trying to breed gorillas with females. One woman actually wrote to Stalin and said how she was devoting herself to this and was glad to volunteer.

So when I thought about the old wolfman movie with Lon Chaney, the werewolves were gypsies legends, and I tied that in with the Holocaust and the Germans rounding up the jews and poles and gypsies.
So i drew the gypsie woman, the contact as the old woman in the movie, that is also her getting slapped by the red skull. Her son is a young bela lugousi, he also played the wolf that bites lawrence Talbot in the movie.

Did you get the Led Zeppelin connection?

[COOPCAP]

COOPCAP, I think perhaps that rather than square up to everyone and try to fight when faced with criticism and/or ribbing, it may be wisest just to let the moment pass and wait for people to read your work.

Sorry, in boxing it's counter punching..
I appreciate that advice, but if I saw the way someone else was treated on this thread, having people make comments without reading their stuff I would think the stuff sucked and wouldn't even bother.

Why don't people comment on the story and not attack it immediately? There are some great stories here. It's like they attack the title without reading it.

[COOPCAP]

You posted the same thread three times. I personally merged two of the threads and deleted the third (which had no posts).

You are welcome to post your art, and thank you for sharing this with us. Just please try not to spam the board.

Thanks for doing that. Like I said first time posting and I didn't know if I did it right.
This is a great site, unfortunately people aren't willing to give someone a chance and will attack them immediately, and if you fight back they cry like babies.

[S.F. Jude Terror]

I did read this today. I have some good stuff to say about it. Hopefully will have time in a little bit.

[COOPCAP]

I'll entertain the motion. If I get a second, we'll have an open poll on the subject.

I'll Second it.

I dont know what a book review spinoff is but make sure you google the stuff that you don't understand. Like some of the things Fury says. When he talks about the revolutionary war, I know they don't teach that in schools anymore.

[COOPCAP]

I did read this today. I have some good stuff to say about it. Hopefully will have time in a little bit.

Thank you very much, look forward to hearing your thoughts.

[COOPCAP]

Nobody else wants to see this?

I'll second it..

[COOPCAP]

Doesn't "indie creator" mean independent creator? Using established characters (that are the property of someone else) to create a story of your own is called "fanboy creators", right?

So by your Logic, every effin artist like Walt Simonson drawing THOR is just a fanboy because he isn't Jack Kirby? So all the great stories that Frank Miller did, including Batman is just a fan boy?

These two examples took the books and the characters to new heights, not to mention we have decent movies finally because of Miller. (OK, NO ONE MENTION THE SPIRIT MOVIE!)

is that what you are saying?

[S.F. Jude Terror]

Ok, so honestly, I was expecting a train wreck from this, based half on the fact that it's fan fiction, and half on CAPCOOP's spectacular entrance to the forums. No offense meant - but you really hit the ground running.

I was pleasantly surprised that I found it entertaining. For a story that spans 50 years or more of history and attempts to rewrite a lot of history and reconcile it with various legends and conspiracy theories, it's remarkably coherent. It flows nicely, it's paced well, and it's downright fun to read. Like a non-pretentious Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D.. The story has a lot of potential and I would love to see it improved upon, and I would definitely read more of it.

If you're interested in some crits, here are a few things that hold it back or could be made better:

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand

It needs a letterer/real lettering. It's actually a relatively easy process in Illustrator or even Photoshop, and it would automatically add a level of professionalism to the production. The art itself is really good in places, though it could use some polish in others. I particularly liked the pages that blend newspapers into the backgrounds. Polish all around on this will take it up a notch.

It's fan fiction... but it doesn't need to be. Honestly, I think this story could work without starring Captain America and Nick Fury. Replace them with similar but original characters, and it would work just as well. This is a testament to the writing actually, because all you need to know of the story is laid out in the pages. You don't really need it to be set in the Marvel Universe to work. It would add legitimacy to it, because people just don't take fan fiction seriously.

The biggest issue - PRESENTATION!!! It's really clunky to read it in the format it's in, with images pasted in a blog where you need to click each one to read it. Get this presented in a slideshow type fashion and you'll have a much better chance of people reading past the first few pages - it's just annoying to click, read, click back, scroll, click, read, repeat.

I hope you'll take my crits in the helpful manner in which they're intended, because I was honestly impressed to find that there's some real potential with your story. I think, if you just called the comic Ground Zero, replaced the main characters with derivative characters of your own design, touched it up a bit, and presented it in a webcomic view type of format, you could easily market this as an ongoing webcomic and get some readers.

[dairydead]

I like how the guy looking to promote his own work is doing most of his posting insulting others. Thanks for that, buddy! But otherwise, after a readthrough, i agree with Jude almost completely. I'm always interested in other artist's work, and i always try to support other artist, but you seem like a huge prick.

[COOPCAP]

Ok, so honestly, I was expecting a train wreck from this, based half on the fact that it's fan fiction, and half on CAPCOOP's spectacular entrance to the forums. No offense meant - but you really hit the ground running.

I was pleasantly surprised that I found it entertaining. For a story that spans 50 years or more of history and attempts to rewrite a lot of history and reconcile it with various legends and conspiracy theories, it's remarkably coherent. It flows nicely, it's paced well, and it's downright fun to read. Like a non-pretentious Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D.. The story has a lot of potential and I would love to see it improved upon, and I would definitely read more of it.

If you're interested in some crits, here are a few things that hold it back or could be made better:

[Reveal] Spoiler: Click to Expand

It needs a letterer/real lettering. It's actually a relatively easy process in Illustrator or even Photoshop, and it would automatically add a level of professionalism to the production. The art itself is really good in places, though it could use some polish in others. I particularly liked the pages that blend newspapers into the backgrounds. Polish all around on this will take it up a notch.

It's fan fiction... but it doesn't need to be. Honestly, I think this story could work without starring Captain America and Nick Fury. Replace them with similar but original characters, and it would work just as well. This is a testament to the writing actually, because all you need to know of the story is laid out in the pages. You don't really need it to be set in the Marvel Universe to work. It would add legitimacy to it, because people just don't take fan fiction seriously.

The biggest issue - PRESENTATION!!! It's really clunky to read it in the format it's in, with images pasted in a blog where you need to click each one to read it. Get this presented in a slideshow type fashion and you'll have a much better chance of people reading past the first few pages - it's just annoying to click, read, click back, scroll, click, read, repeat.

I hope you'll take my crits in the helpful manner in which they're intended, because I was honestly impressed to find that there's some real potential with your story. I think, if you just called the comic Ground Zero, replaced the main characters with derivative characters of your own design, touched it up a bit, and presented it in a webcomic view type of format, you could easily market this as an ongoing webcomic and get some readers.

[COOPCAP]

I like how the guy looking to promote his own work is doing most of his posting insulting others. Thanks for that, buddy! But otherwise, after a readthrough, i agree with Jude almost completely. I'm always interested in other artist's work, and i always try to support other artist, but you seem like a huge prick.

[COOPCAP]

Dairy dead, what is that, like spoiled milk?
I am responding to people attacking me right off the bat. the first post is a wise ass remark because i ACCIDENTALLY posted it 3x's. All they had to do is explain to me how to post.

So if you want respect you show respect, you big pussy.